From: Paul Kamen (pk@well.sf.ca.us)
Subject: Angel Island Raft-Up, April 23-25
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Date: 1993-03-16 18:37:31 PST
All readers of rec.boats are invited to join The WELL sailing conference
Openign Day Weekend Raft-Up. It's in Hospital (Ayala) Cove at Angel Island,
Friday April 23 through Sunday April 25. This is not a CyberCruise, but a
*real* face-to-face event!
Opening Day is the traditional start of the "yachting season" here on San
Francisco Bay (huh? does it ever end?) and while the Decorated Boat Parade
and Blessing of the Fleet can generally be done without, the massive
confusion (and free-for-all water fight, on a good year) in The Cove is
worth the trip. Plan is to save a good spot on Friday, assemble the raft
Friday night/Saturday morning, and be "dug in" for the festivities on
Sunday. It would not be smart to attempt to return home until late Sunday,
when all the wrechage has cleared from the central bay!
We ususally do a "tension moor." That is, using four buoys (or two buoys and
two anchors) instead of the usual bow and stern moorings, we can keep all
the boats pulled away from each other by a foot or two. Makes it much more
comfortable and saves wear and tear on the fenders when the fishboat wakes
roll through early in the morning.
I'll be there with my yellow Merit 25 TWILIGHT ZONE, and hope to see a lot
of up-till-now virtual personae in the flesh and fiberglass!
From: William Courington (billc@netcom.com)
Subject: CyberCruise: One Report
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Date: 1993-11-07 16:01:42 PST
This weekend's wrecked.boats Cybercruise raftup in
Clipper Cove (San Francisco Bay) is history. So is
the outcome of the crucial voice vote on splitting
the newsgroup. I will let Fishmeal report
the result; for now I can only say that it was
terribly close and a dramatic mandate. Most
importantly, it was short.
Some wreck.boaters raft up to see what the
people at the other ends of the network look
like. Not Cybercruisers. Cellular modems and the
new alt.cybercruise.hamsters.ductape newsgroup
permitted nearly all communication to originate
below the decks of the sailing workstations.
(Just as well, given the abysmal weather--nobody
could recall a heavier dew.) Paper bags and
ski masks sufficed for maintaining the privacy
of userids at the communal dinner.
Although the faces couldn't be identified,
their boats could. From north to south we
had a Venture17, Olson30, Merit25, San Juan28,
Catalina27, and Olson911S. Daytrippers who
didn't stay the night included an Ericson27,
Cal20, and Dash34(?). The average displacement-length
ratio was well under 200; showers, microwaves
and VCRS were not in abundance. The real cruising
boats must have been on their way to Mexico.
BILL
From: Paul Kamen (fishmeal@netcom.com)
Subject: Re: CyberCruise: One Report
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Date: 1993-11-08 01:48:52 PST
Yes, the November CyberCruise is history. And the voice vote:
Split the newsgroup: 0
Don't split the newsgroup: 1
We discussed this for about 15 seconds and went on to more important
issues, like frisbee collections (did you know that Dudley's wife was
U.S. Women's Frisbee Champ of 1979?)
The contingent representing The WELL consisted of lizewen@well.ca.sf.us
with her San Juan 28 (and she serves an extremely yummy pot of spaghetti),
hchan@well.ca.sf.us with his Cal 20 for a day visit, and jimkent@well.sf.ca.us
with his Olson 911s. Rec.boaters represented were: billc@netcom.com, Olson
30 (with an inboard, selft-tacking jib, and almost self-furling main!),
dudley.gamman@corp.sun.com (Catalina 27), deering@pixar.com (Macgregor 21,
out for his first overnight trip), haggart@ssrl.01.slac.stanford.edu
(Ericson 27, but didn't stay for the night), and a "Dash 34," very
interesting Laurie Davidson design, I think a friend of lizewen's who
didn't stay for the night either.
My Merit 25 was the only representive of CSC, BYC, or the Merit 25 fleet.
They all decided to stay at BYC for the $16 frozen lobster tail dinner.
A poor choice, by all accounts!
T.I. Cove was as advertised. Calm, spacious, quiet enough, and convenient.
We didn't stay around long enough to check out museums on T.I. or
Vessel Traffic Control visitor tours. Next time! We also failed to
display an anchor light (as far as I know) but nobody seemed to care.
We were *way* over in the south-west corner, a nice work of aggressive
anchoring by lizewen who was first there, and probably unnoticed after
dark.
Thanks again to all the people who brought goodies to share, and lets
do this again real soon.
-"Call me Fishmeal"-
From: Jim Kent (jimkent@well.sf.ca.us)
Subject: Re: CyberCruise: One Report
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Date: 1993-11-08 09:19:31 PST
>Re: also failed to display an anchor light
Not so. Since I arrived after dark I had to check out all the raftups
to find the right one. None were showing anchor lights then so I
turned mine on. Later I noticed someone had hung one up in front of
their mast and someone else had a bow light on that was clearly
visible to anyone approaching us from the beach.
Liz promised to get in deeper water for us next time. It was hard to
to sleep with our keel impaled in the mud and unable to rock and roll
with Dudley's boat. Fortunately, about midnight we were afloat again
and slept well to the gentle motion and absence of the sounds the
fenders had been making.
Liz also proved that you can cook spagetti on an alcohol stove. Just
forget waiting for the water to boil. And it passed the stick to the
bulkhead test on the first try.
A great evening!
Jim
From: Greg Bullough (greg@netcom.com)
Subject: Re: CyberCruise: One Report
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Date: 1993-11-09 06:42:27 PST
In article jimkent@well.sf.ca.us (Jim Kent) writes:
>
>
>Liz also proved that you can cook spagetti on an alcohol stove. Just
>forget waiting for the water to boil. And it passed the stick to the
>bulkhead test on the first try.
The trick with boiled foods on an alcohol stove is to break the rules...
...cover the pot. This has the dual benefit of keeping the heat in the
pot, where it helps to heat the water below it and preventing the escaping
steam from turning the cabin into something which resembles a tropical
rainforest. The latter effect is particularly annoying when the cabin
cools down, and the precipitation begins.
Greg
From: dudley (dudley@treefort.Corp.Sun.COM)
Subject: Re: CyberCruise: One Report
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Date: 1993-11-08 10:14:04 PST
In article C4o@netcom.com, fishmeal@netcom.com (Paul Kamen) writes:
> We also failed to
> display an anchor light (as far as I know) but nobody seemed to care.
> We were *way* over in the south-west corner, a nice work of aggressive
> anchoring by lizewen who was first there, and probably unnoticed after
> dark.
We were legal! Both Fall Line and Invictus displayed anchor lights.
Fall Line had a masthead light, Invictus a portable hung from the
spinnaker halyard. I wanted to make sure that the SPs didn't board
us in the middle of the night.
BTW: Thanks, everyone, for the hospitality and eats.
dudley
.
From: Hoover Chan (hchan@well.sf.ca.us)
Subject: Re: CyberCruise: One Report
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Date: 1993-11-09 00:46:15 PST
re: the only representative of CSC was fishmeal@netcom ...
Don't forget me!
It was fun to see more faces behind the online userid's. I hope we have
more of these gatherings.
--
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Hoover Chan - hchan@well.sf.ca.us
{apple,ucbvax,pacbell,hplabs}!well!hchan
hchan%well.sf.ca.us@cunyvm.bitnet
From: Paul Kamen (fishmeal@netcom.com)
Subject: CyberCruise: Angel Island, January 1/2
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Date: 1993-12-20 01:40:50 PST
Announcing CyberCruise and raft-up number 1 of 1994. January 1 and 2,
in Hospital (Ayala) Cove at Angel Island (that's in San Francisco Bay
for those of you that just came in from shoveling snow).
Invitations are LIMITED to participants in rec.boats, members of
The WELL sailing conference, members of Cal Sailing Club, and lurkers,
hackers, crackers, stowaways, wharf rats, cybercads and cybersluts, deck
apes and rail meat, and anyone else who happens to find out about this
event.
We have two boats confirmed so far: lizewen@well.com will be there with
LEAPIN' LIZARD (although a repeat perfromance of her all-star spaghetti
dinner has not beem promised at this point in time) and my own TWILIGHT
ZONE. I'll be at Sam's in Tiburon for lunch with a group from Cal Sailing
Club, and will be at the cove by late afternoon. Plan is to spend all day
Sunday hiking around the island, back Sunday night or Monday morning.
We intend to cancel if it's raining (email for the location of the hot
tub party). If the weather is good but there's significant wind from the
north, we'll announce an alternate location (probably T.I. Cove again).
Two months ago we had ten boats at various times, and it was great to
meat some of the "usual suspects" gun'l to gun'l and face to face.
-"Call me Fishmeal"-
From: Stan Honey (SHONEY@delphi.com)
Subject: Re: CyberCruise: Angel Island, January 1/2
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Date: 1993-12-24 12:24:57 PST
Paul, Sally and I will try to make it on Illusion (CAL 40).
From: Paul Kamen (fishmeal@netcom.com)
Subject: CyberCruise #1 of 1994
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Date: 1993-12-29 01:10:51 PST
Here's the fleet roster for the weekend raft-up at Angel Island, Saturday
Jan 1 to Sunday Jan 2:
1994 CYBERCRUISE #1 JANUARY 1-2
Leapin' Lizard Liz Ewen Lizewen@well.com
Twilight Zone Paul Kamen pk@well.com
Caliban (Sunday) Hoover Chan hchan@well.com
Roxanne (50%) Craig Haggart haggart@ssrl01
Magic Dragon Barbara Cesana basana@ingress.com
Dudley (maybe) Dudley dudley@treefort.corp.sun.com
Integrity (maybe) Cliff Sojourner
Illusion (Cal 40) Stan Honey shoney@delphi.com
Uncle Donald (day) Brian Battuello bb@well.com
Olson 30 (maybe) W. Corrington Billc@netcom.com
High Hopes Gene Schoenfeld els@well.com
That's 10 boats, counting the maybes and the daysailors. Liz has promised
to play bartender and will be well supplied with champagne and orange
juice.
The schedule calls for lunch at Sam's around noon (as part of a
Cal Sailing Club annual event) followed by rafting up in Hospital
(Ayala) cove at Angel Island in the afternoon. I may stay till Monday
morning if the weather's good.
Don't wait for a personal invitation, drop by if you're anywhere near.
-"Call me Fishmeal"-
From: Paul Kamen (fishmeal@netcom.com)
Subject: Re: CyberCruise #1 of 1994
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Date: 1994-01-03 13:19:19 PST
CYBERCRUISE REPORT:
It turned out to be a very pleasant weekend on the bay despite the
uncertain forecast. LEAPIN' LIZARD (lizewen@well.com), LIVELY
(billc@netcom.com) and TWILIGHT ZONE (fishmeal@netcom.com) spent the
night rafted in the cove, while PADDY MURPHY (not on-line) and UNCLE
DONALD (bb@well.com) joined us for dinner on Saturday night. Liz
entertained something like 20 people on her San Juan 28, at one point
we counted 12 people engaged in a stand-up cocktail party in her cabin.
Also present (but without boats) was haggart@ssrl01.slac.stanford.edu
who arrived by ferry on Sunday, and rwilmeth@well.com who was a crew on
my boat for the weekend.
The wind did come up from the north, but it was still surprisingly quiet
for Ayala Cove. If only I hadn't left the spinnaker pole tip resting on
*top* of the loaded portion of a bow line (thunk, thunk, thunk every time
the line went taught) it would have been uninterrupted sleep. Only a
single fishboat wake at 6:30.
Also, there was far too much food.
Date for the next CyberCruise is tentatively set for the first weekend in
March, and the plan is to continue at 2-month intervals, with a South Bay
location in May when the days are long. Suggest we go back to Clipper Cove
(Treasure Island) for March.
-"Call me Fishmeal"-
From: dudley (dudley@treefort.Corp.Sun.COM)
Subject: Re: CyberCruise #1 of 1994
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Date: 1994-01-04 08:57:02 PST
CYBERCRUISE REPORT (South Bay Version):
The South Bay CyberCruise kicked off, as planned, at about noon
on Dec 31st when various members of the Muddies began to converge
on our anchorage in the slough. When I arrived, I found Integrity,
Pallas Athena, Treefort, and Grasshoppa already burning up Darwin's
blender making margaritas. Several people had already lost all their
inhibitions. After I performed a brief ceremony, complete with sound
effects, looking back at the year and welcoming our newest members,
we set about preparing the feast. As usual, the Muddies proved that
you don't need a microwave to make a delectable shipboard meal. Once
all were satiated, we settled into some dancing, beginning with some
classic pre-rock boogie music and progressing through to some recent
hip-hop. Things would have been better if we hadn't painted the dance
floor white the previous day (everyone has white footprints on their
decks), but nobody seemed to care at the time. The dancing was followed
by some home-made music, made even better by the fact that Cliff and
Jim (on the guitars) and Maddi (on the keyboard) were in rare form,
adding new life to worn out 60s tunes. At midnight, we celebrated by
shooting off some politically correct, non-toxic, safe-and-sane poppers
and yelling at the top of out lungs. There were pockets of mirth and
merriment until everyone had settled into their berths.
New Years morning was FOGGY! You could hardly see one end of the boat
from the other. We fired up the stoves and had coffee, eggs, muffins,
sausage, fruit, cereal, pastries, ... By the time we were done with
breakfast, the sun was breaking through and we were debating the merits
of making it up to Angel Island. Cliff and I decided that we would go
as it looked as it there might be some wind. Anna needed a ride back
to San Francisco, so we decided to take her and drop her off at South
Beach. Cliff and Anna set off in his boat, and I was in mine. We had
so little wind when we started that we had to motor for about an hour.
I was just thinking that I wasn't crazy about another 6 hour motor to
SF, when the ripples began appearing on the water surface. We put up
our sails, and had a beautiful time, beating into a steady breeze which
pulled us along at a constant 4.5 to 5 knots. Things went very
nicely until we got to Hunter's Point where we ran smack into a very
thick fog. We had to hug the shore to have any visual clues as to our
location. By this time it was beginning to rain. As we made our way
along the waterfront, the rain became heavier. By the time we pulled
into South Beach, we were glad to get inside out boats and huddle around
the heaters.
Well, one thing let to another, and before we knew it, we were forking
over $9.45 each to spend the night in slip. We discussed shooting across
to Angel, but I couldn't find my radar reflector and don't have Loran or
radar or any of those expensive toys, and the conditions were such that
we didn't know if anybody would be at Angel even if we did show up. Anyway,
we spent a pleasant night at South Beach, filled up on breakfast at the
Java House, and headed back down to Redwood City. The wind was mostly
non-existent, so we had to motor about half way.
So, sorry we didn't make it all the way. We had good intentions but didn't
really want to end up as a hood ornaments for an oil tanker. Hopefully,
we can all rendezvous somewhere in the near future.
Happy New Year,
dudley
.
From: William Courington (billc@netcom.com)
Subject: Re: CyberCruise #1 of 1994
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Date: 1994-01-04 10:32:04 PST
Fishmeal is too modest to mention that on this cruise
he set the bar very high for slow sailing performances.
4-1/2 hours, I heard, from Sam's dock in Tiburon to Ayala Cove,
a distance of perhaps half a mile. Even the slippery
Twilight Zone with her rockstar crew had a tough time
in the fitful zephys and moderate current of Raccoon Strait.
(Those who read Fishmeal's comments on auxiliary engines--
the ones along the lines of "inboards get used too much"--
may want to keep this performance in mind.) They finished
with a flourish, however, dousing the chute first, then
the main, sliding gently under bare poles to the CyberRaft.
Saturday's weather was Pacific-Northwest-like: cool and
misty, making the trees on Angel Island almost black in color.
Pilothouse weather, you might say. (Now _there's_ a thought:
the first Olson30 with a pilothouse ... :-)
By the way, a recent reading of _Two Years Before the Mast_
suggests that Dana's "wood island" was Angel Island. If so, he
too spent a winter night in Ayala Cove nearly 160 years ago--
lying on firewood in an open boat. (He spent the day wading
in 50 degree water between beach and boat carrying loads of
firewood.) Saturday night aboard Lively was noisy and jerky,
but dry and tolerably warm. It's not always easy for me to
believe that the sailors of that era were of the same species
as I.
Bill
From: dudley (dudley@treefort.Corp.Sun.COM)
Subject: March CyberCruise?
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Date: 1994-02-22 08:39:21 PST
When is the March CyberCruise scheduled?
dudley
.
From: Linda Hill (linda@wendy.net.com)
Subject: Re: March CyberCruise?
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Date: 1994-02-22 13:32:32 PST
In article <2kdcfp$onc@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> dudley@treefort.Corp.Sun.COM writes:
>When is the March CyberCruise scheduled?
March 5-6 at Treasure Island.
From: Paul Kamen (fishmeal@netcom.com)
Subject: Re: March CyberCruise?
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Date: 1994-02-23 00:58:38 PST
March CyberCruise is March 5 and 6, in Clipper Cove (treasure island).
I'll be there late on Saturday evening, because it turns out I was first in
*both* Saturday and Sunday Metropolitan Midwinters, and they have a
"Champion of Champions" race on the fifth for the first boat in each class.
This brings up an interesting point: Since I'm first in two classes, I
should get two entries! So, the plan is to enter twice. It seems that there
is an identical yellow Merit 25 on my dock, with no name on the hull. We
lend them one of my old mains (for the sail number), and laserprint
the name on yellow paper and tape it on their hull.
Rules quizz: Which boat gets DSQ'd?
Anyway, back to CyberCruise. Hard to say if there'll be much turnout for
this one, people seem to have other events on their minds this month.
Should be a nice overnight anyway if the weather's okay.
-"Call me Fishmeal"-
From: Hoover Chan (hchan@well.sf.ca.us)
Subject: Re: March CyberCruise?
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Date: 1994-02-23 09:46:00 PST
re: march 5 cybercruise
I hope to be out there for a day trip, so if anyone else is going to be
there, let us know who to look for.
--
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Hoover Chan - hchan@well.sf.ca.us
{apple,ucbvax,pacbell,hplabs}!well!hchan
hchan%well.sf.ca.us@cunyvm.bitnet
From: dudley (dudley@treefort.Corp.Sun.COM)
Subject: Re: March CyberCruise?
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Date: 1994-02-23 10:54:47 PST
Well, now that we know the date, I'm trying to see how
many Muddys I can talk into making the trip in March.
I'm not crazy about beating (or worse yet, motoring) into
the rain for six hours, but if the weather is nice, we
should be able to get a few boats up there.
dudley
.
From: Craig Haggart, Accelerator Ops (haggart@ssrl01.slac.stanford.edu)
Subject: Re: March CyberCruise?
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Date: 1994-02-24 00:50:58 PST
> if anyone else is going to be there, let us know who to look
> for.
I'll be there! Rain or shine, no problem (dodgers are great!).
Now taking musical requests - have lots of CDs.
--
-Craig Haggart, Ericson 27 "Roxanne"
Stanford Synchrotron Radiation Lab at SLAC
Menlo Park, California
(haggart@slac.stanford.edu)
From: Linda Hill (linda@wendy.net.com)
Subject: Re: March CyberCruise?
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Date: 1994-02-24 14:14:54 PST
If the weather is good (not iffy, _good_), John and I will be there on
"Nakia". We just spent last weekend at Angel Island though, and don't
feel much like going out again in the rain so soon after that deluge
(well, I guess it wasn't _that_ bad; we didn't go out until Sunday, and
the sail home on Monday was perfect).
linda
From: Greg Bullough (greg@netcom.com)
Subject: Re: March CyberCruise?
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Date: 1994-02-25 05:19:04 PST
In article <1994Feb24.221454.21833@unet.net.com> linda@wendy.net.com (Linda Hill) writes:
>If the weather is good (not iffy, _good_), John and I will be there on
>"Nakia". We just spent last weekend at Angel Island though, and don't
>feel much like going out again in the rain so soon after that deluge
>(well, I guess it wasn't _that_ bad; we didn't go out until Sunday, and
>the sail home on Monday was perfect).
There's nothing cozier than a sailboat cabin during a rain-storm.
Unfortunately, you usually have to go out some time, and when you
come back in, there you stand, dripping, wondering what to do with
the foulies and such 'cause if you put them in the head, you'll
drip all the way there. Besides, the seat will then be wet, and
that's too much like a public restroom to tolerate.
Unfortunately, we all seem to fall in love with our boats in good
weather. I know that it took me a while to get to where I asked
the question 'okay, where in this boat am I going to comfortably
shed my foulies and store them when they're wet, so I don't track
water everywhere? And besides, where can I keep them so the evaporating
water doesn't wind up as condensation on the overhead?'
Unfortunately, in most cases, the answer seems to be 'nowhere,' thus
turning many potentially pleasant cruises into sodden messes.
Greg
From: John F. Hughes (jfh@cs.brown.edu)
Subject: Re: March CyberCruise?
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Date: 1994-02-28 04:21:26 PST
In article greg@netcom.com (Greg Bullough) writes:
>In article <1994Feb24.221454.21833@unet.net.com> linda@wendy.net.com (Linda Hill) writes:
>There's nothing cozier than a sailboat cabin during a rain-storm.
>
>Unfortunately, you usually have to go out some time, and when you
>come back in, there you stand, dripping, wondering what to do with
>the foulies and such ...
>
>[...] Unfortunately, in most cases, the answer seems to be 'nowhere,' thus
>turning many potentially pleasant cruises into sodden messes.
There are a couple of decent answers in some cases.
(1) If your boat has a dodger (fishmeal groans and I can hear it all
the way on the east coast...), you can shove your foulies beneath the
dodger and let them get a bit of the warm air that's escaping from below,
thereby (slowly) drying out.
(2) You can hope that there's a wet-locker somewhere near the companionway,
and you can put in a drip pan/drain beneath it; engine warmth (if any) will
help to accelerate drying, and the humid air will rise and exit via the
crack that you've left in the hatchslide...
Of course, the more common answer is the one on my boat: you have
a "wet locker" that's about 4' x 10" x 2', and it's supposed to
hold the foulies for all *six* of the people that can sleep aboard.
So instead you cruise with no more than 3 people, and only
one at a time goes on deck in a rainy anchorage, and the other two
keep their foulies (once dry) rolled up in some other location...
-John
From: Jim Fisher (jfisher@informix.com)
Subject: Re: March CyberCruise?
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Date: 1994-02-23 14:22:38 PST
In article fishmeal@netcom.com (Paul Kamen) writes:
>March CyberCruise is March 5 and 6, in Clipper Cove (treasure island).
>
>I'll be there late on Saturday evening, because it turns out I was first in
>*both* Saturday and Sunday Metropolitan Midwinters, and they have a
>"Champion of Champions" race on the fifth for the first boat in each class.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ make sure you don't start your motor, that
won't work like the 3 bridge Fiasco incident...
>
>This brings up an interesting point: Since I'm first in two classes, I
>should get two entries! So, the plan is to enter twice. It seems that there
>is an identical yellow Merit 25 on my dock, with no name on the hull. We
>lend them one of my old mains (for the sail number), and laserprint
>the name on yellow paper and tape it on their hull.
I thought Dennis Connor was obnoxious. At least he races real boats. Win
in Etchells or J24s and then get cocky.
Have a cyber good time "fishmeal"
-Fisher
-"Nixon was Cool..."
These opinions are mine and not Informix Software's
>
>From: Paul Kamen (fishmeal@netcom.com)
Subject: Re: March CyberCruise?
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Date: 1994-02-24 02:20:40 PST
>3 Bridge Fiasco Incident
Yaeh, that was rotten luck. The one time my motor decides to start up
right away! (We had our rudder hooked on one boat's anchor line, and
our bow lying across another, beam-on to a 2 knot tide. Motor seemed like
the prudent thing to do at the time.) For the record, we reported use
of power to the RC, and took a DNF.
As for midwinters, I'll note that TWILIGHT ZONE also has nice lead in
the "PHRF Ultralight" class in the EYC Jack Frost series, so we could
be three-for-three this winter.
"Obnoxious in Victory, Bitter in Defeat!"
-"Call me Fishmeal"-
From: Francis Muir (francis@oas.Stanford.EDU)
Subject: Questions about the CyberCruise
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Date: 1994-03-02 18:21:53 PST
I am contemplating stirring my stumps and beating up North for the
CyberCruise, but i have several questions. The key one is this: are
they're going to be any women taking part, or is it one of those
Boys night Out deals? My wife, who sails with me, would only come up
if she had some assurance on that score. Then, its a pretty long haul
from redwood city, and I was wondering what facilities there are at
the other end? Anything?
Cap'n Fido
GOBLIN
From: Paul Kamen (fishmeal@netcom.com)
Subject: Re: Questions about the CyberCruise
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Date: 1994-03-03 02:02:44 PST
lizewwn@well.com says she's a definate for this one - in fact she plans
to arrive Friday night (unless it's raining). Her boat is LEAPIN' LIZARD,
a San Juan 28 with a stripe at the shear line that bends down to the
waterline aft. You might want to email direct for confimation, as she's
on The WELL and not a rec.boater.
As for facitlities, it's an anchor-out affair, but T.I. YC has been
hospitable in the past for on-shore heads and trash receptacles.
-"Call me Fishmeal"-
From: dudley (dudley@treefort.Corp.Sun.COM)
Subject: Re: Questions about the CyberCruise
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Date: 1994-03-03 08:04:46 PST
In article Cr8@netcom.com, fishmeal@netcom.com (Paul Kamen) writes:
->lizewwn@well.com says ...
Typo alert! Her address is lizewen@well.com or lizewen@well.sf.ca.us
dudley
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From: Linda Hill (linda@wendy.net.com)
Subject: Re: Questions about the CyberCruise
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Date: 1994-03-03 07:15:19 PST
In article <2l3hk1$ej0@morrow.stanford.edu> francis@oas.Stanford.EDU (Francis Muir) writes:
>I am contemplating stirring my stumps and beating up North for the
>CyberCruise, but i have several questions. The key one is this: are
>they're going to be any women taking part, or is it one of those
>Boys night Out deals? My wife, who sails with me, would only come up
>if she had some assurance on that score.
I think it's supposed to rain (sigh), but John and I will be there anyway
on "Nakia", our HC 33 liveaboard. I've also spoken to Jeff Huntington
(who no longer has net access) and he and his wife Terry are planning on
coming over on their Caliber 40, "Sand Dollar", just for the day.
linda@net.com
From: Hoover Chan (hchan@well.sf.ca.us)
Subject: Re: Questions about the CyberCruise
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Date: 1994-03-03 10:15:15 PST
I plan to be out there for a day trip on Saturday. Around the noon
hour for lunch at the raft up. It'll be good to see more rec.boaters
face-to-face.
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From: dudley (dudley@treefort.Corp.Sun.COM)
Subject: Re: Questions about the CyberCruise
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Date: 1994-03-03 13:05:39 PST
In article <2l3hk1$ej0@morrow.stanford.edu> francis@oas.Stanford.EDU (Francis Muir) writes:
>I am contemplating stirring my stumps and beating up North for the
>CyberCruise, but i have several questions. The key one is this: are
>they're going to be any women taking part, or is it one of those
>Boys night Out deals? My wife, who sails with me, would only come up
>if she had some assurance on that score.
Let's see, Fido, we have the following women, all coming from
Redwood City:
Teresa
Mary
Maddi
Romana
We will be joined there by:
Marisa
Anna (maybe).
And there are other women from other parts of the Bay expected
to be there. Do you think we'll be safe?
dudley
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From: Robert S. Macfarlane (dprsm@ux5.lbl.gov)
Subject: Re: Questions about the CyberCruise
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Date: 1994-03-03 16:30:55 PST
Sorry, I'd love to attend but I'm pulling the rig at Nelson's Boatworks
Friday morning and don't expect to have it back up until Monday.
(New backstay and putting on a B&G Network wind instrument, which,
unfortunately, requires removal of the top casting on the spar).
Maybe next month - sounds like these sorts of things can be a lot of fun.
- Rob
Tiger Beetle
From: Paul Kamen (fishmeal@netcom.com)
Subject: Re: Questions about the CyberCruise
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Date: 1994-03-04 12:41:45 PST
>maybe next month
No CyberCruise next month!
We do these every *other* month, which seems to be about what the
market will support. May 21-22 is the next scheduled cruise, and this
is the long-awaited trip down to Redwood City to raft up with the
South Bay Muddies in their Secret Slough.
-"Call me Fishmeal"-
From: Craig Haggart, Accelerator Ops (haggart@ssrl01.slac.stanford.edu)
Subject: CyberCruise: maaaahhhvelous!
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Date: 1994-03-07 02:28:54 PST
Do we have it good here in San Francisco or what?
Twelve boats made it for the CyberCruise, with ten of them rafted
together for the night in Treasure Island's Clipper Cove. Saturday
evening was breezy and a bit chilly, but the forecast rain never
happened. It was a good night for boat-hopping, and I think we
set a record for the most humans ever aboard a San Juan 28.
Sunday, now -- Sunday was as good as Sundays come. The sun rose to
a calm, clear day. We all lounged around in shorts and t-shirts,
listening to calypso, drinking fresh-sqeezed orange juice, and
munching on homemade muffins right out of Nakia's oven. Truly a
wonderful morning.
Almost half of the boats had sailed all the way up from the South
Bay (the "muddies"). This fun-loving group had the foresight to
include a birthday that we could celebrate, and they brought a
unique birthday cake: a four-boat sponge cake raftup, with masts,
tiny Windexes, and everything. (A word of warning: do not, under
any circumstances, encourage any of the muddies to sing! Not that
it takes much encouragement...)
Here's the participating vessel list:
Sand Dollar (Caliber 40)
Twilight Zone (Merit 25)
Cheyenne (Wylie 34)
Leapin' Lizard (San Juan 28)
Nakia (Hans Christian 33)
Roxanne (Ericson 27)
Integrity (Catalina 25)
Invictus (Catalina 27)
Pallas Athena (Pearson 30)
Treefort (Hunter 25)
Nipper (26-foot tug)
Grasshoppa (Benford 30)
You snowbound east-coasters don't have to be envious. Come on out
next time, there's room for more! This is a great bunch of people
to hang out with, and a great place to do it.
--
-Craig Haggart, Ericson 27 "Roxanne"
Stanford Synchrotron Radiation Lab at SLAC
Menlo Park, California
(haggart@slac.stanford.edu)
From: Greg Bullough (greg@netcom.com)
Subject: Re: CyberCruise: maaaahhhvelous!
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Date: 1994-03-07 08:30:33 PST
haggart@ssrl01.slac.stanford.edu (Craig Haggart, Accelerator Ops) writes:
> Grasshoppa (Benford 30)
Is this 'the original' Benford 30, the only 30-footer with a 'great
cabin?' I wonder if it's the boat that I looked at up in San Rafael
several years ago, when it was for sale. A truly unique vessel, and
I was sore tempted.
>You snowbound east-coasters don't have to be envious.
Who's envious? I spent two days this weekend skiing just an hour
from home, at two different ski areas in two different states. And
we'll always have Maine :-)
Greg
From: Walter Knowles (waltk@halcyon.halcyon.com)
Subject: Re: CyberCruise: maaaahhhvelous!
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Date: 1994-03-07 18:56:59 PST
greg@netcom.com (Greg Bullough) writes:
>>You snowbound east-coasters don't have to be envious.
>Who's envious? I spent two days this weekend skiing just an hour
>from home, at two different ski areas in two different states. And
>we'll always have Maine :-)
Hey--Is anyone interested in a CyberCruise--north? Say to some location
in the San Juan Islands (Spencer Spit off Lopez?).
And, I'm not envious--I skied an hour from home on Saturday and sailed
sunday (but nobody should tell Lesser Seattle, Inc I said this...)
Walt Knowles,
Sagres
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From: Gary Linnert (garlin@ringo.Eng.Sun.COM)
Subject: Re: CyberCruise: maaaahhhvelous!
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Date: 1994-03-10 12:03:06 PST
In article <2lkqgn$k7b@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> dudley@treefort.Corp.Sun.COM writes:
>In article 2Kn@netcom.com, greg@netcom.com (Greg Bullough) writes:
>->haggart@ssrl01.slac.stanford.edu (Craig Haggart, Accelerator Ops) writes:
>->> Grasshoppa (Benford 30)
>->
>->Is this 'the original' Benford 30, the only 30-footer with a 'great
>->cabin?' I wonder if it's the boat that I looked at up in San Rafael
>->several years ago, when it was for sale. A truly unique vessel, and
>->I was sore tempted.
>
>It very likely could be the same boat. It was home ported in San
>Rafael for a while, and at the time was called "In the Mood". It
>has a black hull and tanbark sails. Unique pretty well describes
>the boat.
>
>dudley
>.
>
>
There is at least one other Benford 30 in the SF bay area. Reputedly
owned by Stuart Brandt(?) of 'Whole Earth Catalog' fame. His has
the windows in the transom so I'm told.
'Grasshoppa' formally 'In the Mood', originally 'Magnolia' is
hull #7 according to the ship's papers.
<> garlin
--
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* Gary Linnert :
* - The secret of flying is to throw yourself at the ground and miss.
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From: Greg Bullough (greg@netcom.com)
Subject: Re: CyberCruise: maaaahhhvelous!
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Date: 1994-03-11 05:42:49 PST
In article garlin@ringo.Eng.Sun.COM (Gary Linnert) writes:
>
>There is at least one other Benford 30 in the SF bay area. Reputedly
>owned by Stuart Brandt(?) of 'Whole Earth Catalog' fame. His has
>the windows in the transom so I'm told.
Thats IT! When I saw it it was at, I think, Kermit Parker's dock. I seem
to recall some green paint, as well as the need for some soft deck wood
to be replaced. But I definitely recall the transom ports.
I also recall that the price was more than reasonable, it was downright
generous to the potential buyer. By coincidence, I happened to have Benford's
plan book out from the local library when I saw the boat from the railing,
and recognized it.
I think I tore myself away because I'd just got *Kairos* the way I
wanted her, and didn't want to start over again. But what a great
boat for knocking around the Bay in! I don't think she had the optional
square sail.
Greg
om: Linda Hill (linda@wendy.net.com)
Subject: SF Bay Area Cybercruise, July 23
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Date: 1994-05-31 10:35:17 PST
We have a new date for the next San Francisco Bay Area Cybercruise. We
will raft-up in Ayala/Hospital Cove at Angel Island on July 23-24.
If any out-of-towners will be visiting the area that weekend, there is
ferry service to the island or we could try to match you up with a boat
for a day sail to or from the raft-up.
Feel free to contact me for more details.
Linda Hill
linda@net.com
NAKIA - Hans Christian 33
From: Paul Kamen (fishmeal@netcom.com)
Subject: Re: Hello--Is Anybody Out There?
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Date: 1994-08-24 07:04:27 PST
And the next Bay Area CyberCruise, while we're on the subject, is Oct 1-2
in the cove immediatley to the north of Candlestick Park. They say it's
protected enough for a raft-up, although it can be a bit windy. Plan is
to get in the blimp shot during the 49ers game.
-"Call me Fishmeal"-
From: Paul Kamen (fishmeal@netcom.com)
Subject: Re: Hello--Is Anybody Out There?
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Date: 1994-08-24 07:04:27 PST
And the next Bay Area CyberCruise, while we're on the subject, is Oct 1-2
in the cove immediatley to the north of Candlestick Park. They say it's
protected enough for a raft-up, although it can be a bit windy. Plan is
to get in the blimp shot during the 49ers game.
-"Call me Fishmeal"-
From: dudley (dudley@invictus.Corp.Sun.COM)
Subject: CyberCruise Picture Posted
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Date: 1994-09-17 22:24:07 PST
I've posted a gif file of a CyberCruise raft-up at Clipper Cove, Treasure
Island in San Francisco Bay to alt.binaries.pictures.misc.
dudley
.
From: Robert S. Macfarlane (dprsm@ux5.lbl.gov)
Subject: Re: CyberCruise Picture Posted
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Date: 1994-09-17 22:24:07 PST
In article <35cidj$phh@jethro.corp.sun.com>,
dudley wrote:
>I've posted a gif file of a CyberCruise raft-up at Clipper Cove, Treasure
>Island in San Francisco Bay to alt.binaries.pictures.misc.
>
Nice shot! There's even Twilight Zone in the foreground. But where's
the wind? This is supposed to be San Francisco, and no one's going to
believe it because it's not howling!
- Rob
From: dudley (dudley@invictus.Corp.Sun.COM)
Subject: Re: CyberCruise Picture Posted
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Date: 1994-09-18 07:47:45 PST
In article br8@overload.lbl.gov, dprsm@ux5.lbl.gov (Robert S. Macfarlane) writes:
->Nice shot! There's even Twilight Zone in the foreground. But where's
->the wind? This is supposed to be San Francisco, and no one's going to
->believe it because it's not howling!
The picture was taken in the morning, before they turned on the wind.
dudley
.
From: Steve Blair (sblair@dellgate.dell.com)
Subject: Re: CyberCruise Picture Posted
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Date: 1994-09-19 02:36:52 PST
If someone'd email me the file(I missed as I was in Tokyo) I'll
put it on dell.com in the rec.boats GIF archive.
scb
--
Steven C. Blair
dell computer corp
"The best way to deal with Internet abusers is to break 9 of their 10"
"fingers; thus causing the cruelest way to have to tour the Internet"
From: Paul Kamen (fishmeal@netcom.com)
Subject: CyberCruise
Newsgroups: rec.boats.racing
Date: 1994-09-28 18:55:13 PST
The next SF Bay Area CyberCruise is this weekend, in the cove between
Candlestick Park and Hunters Point.
I'll be there with TWILIGHT ZONE Saturday afternoon, and will stay
overnight and for the game on Sudnay (no, we're not going to try to watch
the game from the boats, we're guessing that at least a few people in the
raft-up will have 12-volt TVs). If all goes according to plan, the raft-up
will be featured in at least one blimp shot for the benefit of east coast
rec.boaters.
The cove is reportedly somewhat windy, but well protected from waves so
it should be fine for a raft-up. If not, be prepared to swing on your own
hook, and bring dingies and other water toys if you have them. All the
usaul CyberCruise rules and conventions apply.
-"Call me Fishmeal"-
From: Paul Kamen (fishmeal@netcom.com)
Subject: CyberCruise
Newsgroups: rec.boats.racing
Date: 1994-09-28 18:55:13 PST
The next SF Bay Area CyberCruise is this weekend, in the cove between
Candlestick Park and Hunters Point.
I'll be there with TWILIGHT ZONE Saturday afternoon, and will stay
overnight and for the game on Sudnay (no, we're not going to try to watch
the game from the boats, we're guessing that at least a few people in the
raft-up will have 12-volt TVs). If all goes according to plan, the raft-up
will be featured in at least one blimp shot for the benefit of east coast
rec.boaters.
The cove is reportedly somewhat windy, but well protected from waves so
it should be fine for a raft-up. If not, be prepared to swing on your own
hook, and bring dingies and other water toys if you have them. All the
usaul CyberCruise rules and conventions apply.
-"Call me Fishmeal"-
From: dudley (dudley@invictus.Corp.Sun.COM)
Subject: SF Bay CyberCruise Dec 3-4
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Date: 1994-11-01 13:40:11 PST
The next San Francisco Bay CyberCruise will be the weekend of December
3rd and 4th in Clipper Cove at Treasure Island.
dudley
.
From: Paul Kamen (fishmeal@netcom.com)
Subject: Re: SF Bay CyberCruise Dec 3-4
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Date: 1994-11-03 21:33:41 PST
If someone can bring a vidieotape of the blimp shot that immortalized the
last CyberCruise, I'll bring a battery-powered VCR (vhs format) to play
it on. Now all we need is a TV, but that should be easy.
--
fishmeal@netcom.com
-"Call me Fishmeal"-
From: dudley (dudley@invictus.Corp.Sun.COM)
Subject: Re: SF Bay CyberCruise Dec 3-4
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Date: 1994-11-08 07:44:34 PST
In article K00@netcom.com, fishmeal@netcom.com (Paul Kamen) writes:
->If someone can bring a vidieotape of the blimp shot that immortalized the
->last CyberCruise, I'll bring a battery-powered VCR (vhs format) to play
->it on. Now all we need is a TV, but that should be easy.
I've got it. I'll bring it for all who think the CyberCruises exist
only in virtual space.
dudley
.
From: Pegasus D (pegasusd@aol.com)
Subject: Re: SF Bay CyberCruise Dec 3-4
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Date: 1994-11-04 10:30:02 PST
In article <396cjr$ado@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM>, dudley@invictus.Corp.Sun.COM
(dudley) writes:
Hi! This is Pegasus D and Pegasus J (Catalina 36); new to Internet and
rec.boats. Saw note about cruise on SF Bay. Would like to participate.
Please forward details like ETA, what Channel will you be on, etc.
Thanks.
From: Paul Kamen (fishmeal@netcom.com)
Subject: Re: SF Bay CyberCruise Dec 3-4
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Date: 1994-11-04 15:05:06 PST
Clipper Cove, December 3-4 is about all you need to know. Look for the
raft-up with some of the boats flying the rec.boats burgee (white and
black with a big blue dot - for the "dot" in rec.boats).
Clipper Cove is between Treasure Island and Yerba Buena, and it's a good
winter raft-up site because it offers good protection in north and south
winds, unlike Ayala Cove at Angel Island, which is real nasty in a
northerly.
That's about all you need to know - have your fenders and dock lines
ready when you sail into the cove.
Oh yes, one more thing: Participation in the CyberCruise is limited to
readers of rec.boats, rec.boats.racing, rec.boats.building, the South Bay
Muddies, members of the Cal Sailing Club, Berkeley Yacht Club, readers of
the sailing conference on The WELL, members of the SF Bay Merit 25 fleet,
and anybody who knows any member of any of the above group, or finds out
about it in any other way.
--
fishmeal@netcom.com
-"Call me Fishmeal"-
From: Sam LaVanaway (asl@netcom.com)
Subject: Re: SF Bay CyberCruise Dec 3-4
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Date: 1994-11-07 22:38:36 PST
Paul Kamen (fishmeal@netcom.com) wrote:
: Clipper Cove, December 3-4 is about all you need to know. Look for the
: raft-up with some of the boats flying the rec.boats burgee (white and
: black with a big blue dot - for the "dot" in rec.boats).
: --
: fishmeal@netcom.com
: -"Call me Fishmeal"-
So why is it called a cyber cruise? What is so cyber about a real cruise?
Am I missing the point or what?
--
Fair Winds,
Sam
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
asl@netcom.com WHY am I here?
From: Paul Kamen (fishmeal@netcom.com)
Subject: CyberCruise December 3-4 at Clipper Cove
Newsgroups: rec.boats.racing
Date: 1994-11-29 01:53:38 PST
For those of you who are not on the CyberCruise mailing list, and who may
have missed previous postings: This weekend is the next CyberCruise
raft-up in Clipper Cove, the anchorage between Treasure Island and Yerba
Buena Island, in central San Francisco Bay.
This is the every-other-month-or-so chance to meet all your virtual
sailing friends in the Bay Area face-to-face and rail-to-rail. Meet the
posters, lurkers, and flamers in the flesh, and see their boats in the
wood and the plastic. Participation is limited to readers of rec.boats,
rec.boats.racing, rec.boats.building, alt.sailing.asa (I guess), The WELL
sailing conference, members of the Merit 25 fleet, Berkeley Yacht Club,
Cal Sailing Club, Sea of Anarchy Yacht Club, and anyone else who finds out
about it or knows anyone who did.
Clipper Cove is a great winter anchorage - very smooth water for a
raft-up, and good protection from likely north or south winds. Just sail
in and look for the rec.boats burgee (white and black with a blue dot,
for the "dot" in rec.boats). Bring food, bring drinks, stuff to share is
great but there will be no attempt at organized meal or menu
coordination.
We expect about 10-12 boats, more if the weather is great. The noise from
the Bay Bridge isn't nearly as bad as you'd think, and we can sing louder
than that anyway. And, we'll have a rare showing of the video blimp
footage of the last CyberCruise, the raft-up at Candlestick Park during
the football game, when the game was going so badly for the home team that
the announcers talked about us instead of the play in progress!
See you there.
--
fishmeal@netcom.com
-"Call me Fishmeal"-
From: dudley (dudley@invictus.Eng.Sun.COM)
Subject: CyberRainCruise
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Date: 1994-12-05 09:50:05 PST
The rain gods tried to rain on our parade, but the CyberCruise spirit prevaled.
Despite the weeklong prognosticating about various frontal advances and so-many
millibar lows by the local meterological establishment, we had a good turnout
for the Dec 3-4 Bay Area CyberCruise. Amazingly, we managed to stay within a
window of rain-free breezes for our 48 NM round trip, and actually had a few
hours of pretty good sailing.
But did it rain on Saturday night!
It was a fitting climax to an evening of hardy partying. We had eight boats
spend the night, but were joined by 2 rowing dinghys and a late evening visit
by what looked like a floating Christmas tree. There were lots of familiar
faces and a few new ones.
Oh, those new ones! Ruth and her crew on Endeavor showed up just as the heavens
began to let loose with a downpour. She requested some help tying up, to which
I jokingly responded, "We'll get wet. Come back when it stops raining."
I suppose Ruth, who was attending her first CyberCruise, thought that it was all
part of the regular CyberCruise protocol. At any rate, she calmly motored off
to find somewhere to wait out the rain.
A couple of hours later, having successfully waited for a gap in the clouds,
Endeavor re-appeared and was safely secured to the raft. The biggest laugh of
the night occurred as we sat in Endeavor's cabin, warmed by the heat of the
pot bubbling on the stove and raised a toast to one more person who has learned
not to take me too seriously.
It was a wonderful time, and a testimonial to the indomitable spirit of the
CyberCruisers. When/where is the next on?
dudley
.
From: Paul Kamen (fishmeal@netcom.com)
Subject: Re: CyberRainCruise
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Date: 1994-12-05 11:06:41 PST
Allow me to propose January 28. This is the same day as the infamous
"3-Bridge Fiasco" race run by the Singlehanded Sailing Society. This is
rapidly becoming the most popular race event on the Bay, with over 250
entries last year (if you enter you'll find out why it's called a fiasco).
There are 1-handed and 2-handed divisions.
But since there's no big post-race party, and since there's no boatload of
race crew to drop off back at the marina, it would be a perfect "feeder"
for the CyberCruise. Only problem is, where to raft up? The finish is in
front of GGYC or St.Francis, on the Cityfront. Aquatic Park is too rolly
for rafting, in my experience. We could try Hospital Cove, but that's
nasty in a northerly. Or go back to Clipper Cove. Any other ideas?
Maybe we should try a non-rafted-up anchorage, where we all commute from
boat to boat by dingy. That would work in Aquatic Park, or the anchorage
off Corinthian YC in Racoon Strait.
--
fishmeal@netcom.com
-"Call me Fishmeal"-
From: Geoff Lynch (geoff@aladdin.co.uk)
Subject: Re: CyberRainCruise
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Date: 1994-12-11 17:15:06 PST
fishmeal@netcom.com (Paul Kamen) wrote:
>
> Allow me to propose January 28. This is the same day as the infamous
> "3-Bridge Fiasco" race run by the Singlehanded Sailing Society. This is
> rapidly becoming the most popular race event on the Bay, with over 250
> entries last year (if you enter you'll find out why it's called a fiasco).
> There are 1-handed and 2-handed divisions.
>
>
God you guys make me green with envy........
However we'll have our own sort of cruise come Dec 27th from
Southampton Water over to Cowes, up the Medina and 'moor' at the
Folly Pub Pontoons. They will have appropriate victuals and
grog ready for the 60-100 of us making the trip.
After we will attempt to find our own craft and sail back....
However it is likely to be in freezing rain and a bit of a breeze...
Enjoy your next cybercruise!
geoff@aladdin.co.uk (recovering from last nights dinner/dance
at my club where the Irish team who won the Queens Cup at Cowes this year
proceeded to fill it with whiskey, and we all had to drink it..
The Queens Cup is about two feet tall, 14 inches in diameter
and looks as though it is made of Gold (Queen Victoria gave it
to the club back in 187... something)
>
> -"Call me Fishmeal"-
From: dudley (dudley@invictus.Corp.Sun.COM)
Subject: CyberCruise Report
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Date: 1994-05-24 05:15:48 PST
Well, another CyberCruise is in the books and, although we didn't
take an official vote, I would say that everyone had a good time.
Things began to roll on Friday, when I left the dock at 3:30PM to
meet Leapin' Lizard who was sailing down from Sausalito. I had no
sooner hailed her on the VHF when the phone rang, and I heard Liz
saying, "This is Leapin' Lizard." I was a bit surprised to have
my VHF hail returned by phone, but was even more amazed when she
told me she was in Kansas City. The wonderment at the power of my
VHF lasted only long enough to realize that it was coincidence at
work. Poor Liz, had to work throughout the weekend.
I decided to sail around for a while, but it was blowing about 30
knots and I was towing my inflatable, which I know from experience
will flip and form a superior sea anchor, so after a short while I
headed for the slough, where I was to meet Grasshoppa. I had just
finished wrestling my sails to the deck and tying up to NOD when I
heard a hail from Integrity. Kleeph was out for a sail and would
join me later, for a while, before returning to port for the night
to make preparations for his departure the next morning to re-join
us.
I had a pleasant two hours by myself. I popped open a Green Death,
put up my folding chair, and pounded on my conga, secure in the
knowledge that I was too far from anyone to be offensive. My peace
was soon shattered by another hail from Kleeph, telling me that his
arrival was imminent. No sooner had he arrived than we were hailed
by Nakia, who had heard us on the VHF. Apparently, fewer of John and
Linda's co-workers than expected had showed up for their after-work
open-boat, and they had a surplus of beer and chicken wings. We tried
to talk them into joining us then, rather than the next morning as
planned, but being slough virgins, and because the sun was setting,
prudence won out and they stayed tied up in Redwood City.
Gnarlin was the next to arrive, and he had plans to beef up the other
mooring. His plans included enlisting Kleeph and me, and after the
typical debate and head scratching that accompanies these projects,
and after having beer spilled over me, we marveled at the new marker
which floated...upside down.
Having had our fill of nautical engineering, Kleeph headed for home
while gnarlin and I hit our respective racks for the night.
I awoke with the sunrise on Saturday morning to find the water dead
calm and the temperature already comfortable. After making breakfast
and washing down NOD, I got into the dinghy for my morning row. We
were on a flood, so I headed toward the mouth of the slough. I was
about half way when I saw a sail approaching from the other side of
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From: Hoover Chan (hchan@well.sf.ca.us)
Subject: Re: CyberCruise Report
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Date: 1994-05-24 08:02:03 PST
I'd like to thank the South Bay Muddies for hosting such a wonderful
raft-up. Until next time...
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From: Paul Kamen (fishmeal@netcom.com)
Subject: Re: CyberCruise Report
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Date: 1994-05-24 04:54:47 PST
And speaking of next time, if we stick to our every-other-month schedule,
we need to choose a weekend in July. I'll propose July 9/10, back to
Angel Island.
What's a CyberCruise? Rec.boaters and other virtual sailors gathering for
a face-to-face and bulwark-to-bulwark raft-up in some nearby (or not-so-
nearby) anchorage. We had approx. 12 boats at the one last weekend, all
the way down in the South Bay, in a secret slough near Redwood City. Most
of the planning (and post-mortem analysis) takes place via email. Let me
know if you want in.
Of course, the main reason for doing this is to flaunt it in the face of
those poor sailors outside the San Franscisco Bay Area, who a) don't seem
to have the concentration of rec.boaters in one place to reach critical
mass for a raft-up, and b) only have 4 months of good raft-up weather, at
best.
-"Call me Fishmeal"-
From: John F. Hughes (jfh@cs.brown.edu)
Subject: Re: CyberCruise Report
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Date: 1994-05-27 13:44:05 PST
In article fishmeal@netcom.com (Paul Kamen) writes:
:Of course, the main reason for [having CyberCruises] is to flaunt it in the
:face of those poor sailors outside the San Franscisco Bay Area, who a) don't
:seem to have the concentration of rec.boaters in one place to reach critical
:mass for a raft-up, [...]
We like to think of it differently: we like to say that we have such a large
sailing area that we're not all crammed into the same tiny bay :-)
-John
From: Brian_Smith (bsmith@lvld.hp.com)
Subject: Re: CyberCruise Report
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Date: 1994-06-01 15:57:07 PST
We did it. We had a Colorado Cybercruise! Well actually it was in Wyoming
and there were only three boats. But still..... It was on Lake Glendo but
all of us were from Colorado.
On Saturday I had just tucked myself in for the evening in my favourite
little cove and was singing along with the Meadowlarks when in came a couple
of sailboats to spoil my tranquility. They were Stan, with whom I corresponded
via e-mail and subsequently met, and Doug, who I had not met. We had a great
weekend sailing.
Both Stan and Doug classify themselves as "lurkers"--that is they are avid
followers of r.b but do not themselves post. They tell me that there are
many such people out there. What is amazing to me is that they know all the
names of the regular posters and can quote them chapter and verse. They
even have "Do you remember when said..." tales.
Do you realize, folks, we actually have fans out there? Well maybe some
of us do. Better mind our boating Ps and Qs from now on.
B.S! (the reference to Meadowlarks is to the real birds, not to some
rock group)
From: Bill Walker (wwalker@qualcomm.com)
Subject: Re: CyberCruise Report
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Date: 1994-06-02 16:05:10 PST
In article <2sin4g$rf3@hplvec.lvld.hp.com>, bsmith@lvld.hp.com
(Brian_Smith) wrote:
[he met some r.b "lurkers" on a lake in Wyoming]
>
> Do you realize, folks, we actually have fans out there? Well maybe some
> of us do. Better mind our boating Ps and Qs from now on.
[...]
Heaven help us! John's already had his picture in Cruising World (or was
it Sail?). If we start having fans, then the cover of People can't be far
behind, and after that the Star, Enquirer, et al are inevitable. I, for
one, am _not_ looking forward to seeing myself in the supermarket check-out
line!
Yes, yes, I know. I shouldn't worry, because obviously _I_ won't have any
fans.
----------
Bill Walker - WWalker@qualcomm.com - QUALCOMM, Inc., San Diego, CA USA
"First thing we do, we kill all the lawyers." - Shakespeare
From: Ed Romascan (magma@nic.cerf.net)
Subject: Re: CyberCruise Report
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Date: 1994-06-01 17:55:09 PST
In article wwalker@qualcomm.com (Bill Walker) writes:
>In article <2sin4g$rf3@hplvec.lvld.hp.com>, bsmith@lvld.hp.com
>(Brian_Smith) wrote:
>
>
>Heaven help us! John's already had his picture in Cruising World (or was
>it Sail?). If we start having fans, then the cover of People can't be far
>behind, and after that the Star, Enquirer, et al are inevitable. I, for
>one, am _not_ looking forward to seeing myself in the supermarket check-out
>line!
Better there than on the back of a milk carton! :-)
>----------
>Bill Walker - WWalker@qualcomm.com - QUALCOMM, Inc., San Diego, CA USA
>"First thing we do, we kill all the lawyers." - Shakespeare
just one of them thar lurkers.
bruce
From: Karina Haavik (karina@eniac.seas.upenn.edu)
Subject: Re: CyberCruise Report
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Date: 1994-06-05 00:41:17 PST
wwalker@qualcomm.com (Bill Walker) writes:
>>(Brian_Smith) wrote: Do you realize, folks, we actually have fans out there?
>
>Heaven help us! John's already had his picture in Cruising World (or was
>it Sail?). If we start having fans, then the cover of People can't be far
>behind, and after that the Star, Enquirer, et al are inevitable.
I am waiting to read about Paul Kamen's breakfast with the Queen. Surely if
we all get into People, he will finally get his breakfast, radio-controlled
yacht race or not. ;-)
Karina
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From: Mark Shasby (mark@sincere.demon.co.uk)
Subject: Re: CyberCruise Report
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Date: 1994-05-26 09:44:43 PST
In article <2rr92g$7r7@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM>
dudley@invictus.Corp.Sun.COM "dudley" writes:
> Well, another CyberCruise is in the books and, although we didn't
> take an official vote, I would say that everyone had a good time.
I know Lisa and myself did - thanks to Dudley for the organisation
& piloting, John & Linda (Nakia) for the trip out and Doug (Nipper)
for the trip back.
As for the rest of our three week visit to the US, thanks to Fishmeal
for the friday night race and especial thanks to Craig (Roxanne) for
the accomodation in SF/South Beach Harbor & the Angel Island trip!
--
Mark Shasby
From: Mark Shasby (mark@sincere.demon.co.uk)
Subject: Re: CyberCruise Report
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Date: 1994-06-10 20:16:55 PST
All the photographs I took while in the US have now been returned
on a PhotoCD. These include pictures of all the boats that we saw
up to the time we got a lift back on Nipper on Saturday afternoon and
assorted pictures of the underneath of Bay Bridge, Berkeley Marina,
South Beach Harbor etc.
If anyone is interested in a digital copy just specify which "raft"
or what boat you would like a picture of, what format & what
resolution and I will email a uuencoded version of same. (If any of
you run a full-time FTP site I could put the lot there for everyone?)
Please use JPEG format if it isn't too much trouble for obvious
bandwidth reasons!
--
Mark Shasby
From: Dirk John Fischer (am883@yfn.ysu.edu)
Subject: Re: CyberCruise Report
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Date: 1994-05-30 08:18:53 PST
You are a cruel man, Paul :>.
Flaunting yer CyberCruises to those of us with only Great Lakes
to float in.
D "not to mention those of us" J "still boatless in the heartland"
F
--
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that your life is about to be turned upside down, like a
small boy by a bully, & shaken down for small change.
DJF is Dirk John Fischer am883@yfn.ysu.edu
From: Mark Armstrong soft (maa@sisd.kodak.com)
Subject: Re: CyberCruise Report
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Date: 1994-06-01 12:00:35 PST
In article <2scut1$i26@news.ysu.edu> am883@yfn.ysu.edu (Dirk John Fischer) writes:
>
>
>Flaunting yer CyberCruises to those of us with only Great Lakes
>to float in.
Hmmm, over Memorial Day didn't do much floating. Actually had 25 knots
of wind for three days straight on Ontario. It was warm too, in the 80's.
I take the Great Lakes over some little bay :)
______________________________________________________________
Mark Armstrong
maa@raster.Kodak.COM
______________________________________________________________
From: Michael Henry (michenry@crl.com)
Subject: Re: CyberCruise Report
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Date: 1994-06-05 01:36:14 PST
: >Flaunting yer CyberCruises to those of us with only Great Lakes
: >to float in.
: Hmmm, over Memorial Day didn't do much floating. Actually had 25 knots
: of wind for three days straight on Ontario. It was warm too, in the 80's.
: I take the Great Lakes over some little bay :)
***which is next to some little ocean***
: ______________________________________________________________
: Mark Armstrong
: maa@raster.Kodak.COM
: ______________________________________________________________
From: Francis Muir (francis@oas.Stanford.EDU)
Subject: Re: CyberCruise Report
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Date: 1994-06-02 16:05:10 PST
Brian_Smith writes:
The reference to Meadowlarks is to the real birds, not to some
rock group .
It could have refered, of course, to one of L. Francis H's most excellent
designs. A two-masted schooner with what I call West Indian micro-gaffs.
There's an example in Inverness (California, not Scotland). A pleasant place
to visit either by land or water (down from Bodega Bay).
Cap'n Fido
GOBLIN
San Carlos
From: Rod Mc Innis (rmcinnis@mv.us.adobe.com)
Subject: Cybercruise Report
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Date: 1995-01-29 22:20:36 PST
CyerCruise Report
Dateline: San Francisco, Jan 19 1995
This weekend was yet another cybercruise for the Bay Area. The
meeting place was Horseshoe Bay, just inside the Golden Gate. The
weather reports were rather iffy, but luck was with us and we had a
great time.
The weekend was also the date of the 3 bridge race (also known as the
3 bridge fiasco), which several of the cybercruisers were
participating in.
Having a small interest in the 3 bridge race, I left my slip at
Alameda about 12:30 heading north, expecting the racers to be north of
my location by that time. Once I got to a point where I could see the
nothern most mark, but could not see any sail boats, I was a bit
confused. So I headed towards the San Francisco water front.
There I encountered a large fleet of sailboats, obviously in some
sort of race, heading towards Treasure Island. But this couldn't be
the 3 bridge racers! They started 4 hours ago, just a short distance
from here. Well, little did I know that the best stratagy for this
race was to drop anchor and wait for some wind to build.
Being confused about the 3 bridge race (and the three boats I knew
would be in the race) I headed directly towards Horseshoe bay. This
is a wonderful little cove, just inside the gate, where the Coast
Guard and the Presido Yacht Club have docks.
Upon arrival, I found that a boat (not associated with us
cybercruisers) was occupying most of the available space at the PYC
dock. Well, there goes plan A. So I simply dropped anchor about 1:30
and decided to wait for other cybercruisers to show up.
The family and I had a nice show while we waited. We saw the Coast
Guard in action as they went out to "rescue" two different people who
decided to jump off the bridge (they found one, but not the other).
It was interesting to watch, but rather sad when we realized that the
poor guy didn't survive, even though the Coast Guard tried hard to
revive him.
We were also very amused at the efforts of a few race boats
attempting to make their way towards Racoon Straights. There they
were, spinniker set, sailing majestically at about 4 knots.
Unfortunately, the ebb was about 5 knots, so we watched them sail
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From: Paul Kamen (fishmeal@netcom.com)
Subject: Re: Cybercruise Report
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Date: 1995-01-30 23:58:03 PST
Turns out that NOBODY finished the 3-Bridge this year. Not even AOTEA at
PHRF = -150 (yes, that's 150 below zero). I kinda wish I had not arranged
for the crew swap, becasue we could have blissfully stayed on the course
all night and eventually finished, probably well into the next morning two
tides later.
But, it was fun seeing the CyberCruisers. The location definitely has
potential for a huge post-3-Bridge raft-up, and we should try again next
year.
The anual CyberCruise CyberSchedule, as I see it shaping up, looks like this:
January Post 3-Bridge in Horseshoe Cove
March Angel Island (or try new location)
May Westpoint Slough, Redwood City
July Angel Island
September Clipper Cove, Treasure Island
November Candelstick Cove for a 49ers game
The March date is the most flexible. But assuming it finally stops
raining, I'd sure like to get back to Angel Island. There are really very
few anchorages in the central bay that are protected enough for a raft-up,
but Ayala Cove continues to be the most favorite for the most people.
In May we have the long hours of sunlight we need for the long trip down
to Redwood City. My plan, once again, will be to leave after the Friday
night race and sail all night.
July is the height of the "season," and Angel Island is unbeatable. We'll
have to send an advance party to get a good set of mooring buoys for the
raft-up.
By Spetember we're getting tired of Angel Island, and Clipper Cove has
the good protection from the north and south winter winds.
November is football season - we should try to duplicate out 15 seconds
of fame on national TV.
And January is back to post-3-bridge, if we can make this work.
Comments and suggestions will, of course, be dealt with in the usual manner.
--
fishmeal@netcom.com
-"Call me Fishmeal"-
From: Rod Mc Innis (rmcinnis@mv.us.adobe.com)
Subject: Re: Cybercruise Report
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Date: 1995-02-01 11:10:34 PST
In article fishmeal@netcom.com (Paul Kamen) writes:
>
>The anual CyberCruise CyberSchedule, as I see it shaping up, looks like this:
>
> January Post 3-Bridge in Horseshoe Cove
> March Angel Island (or try new location)
> May Westpoint Slough, Redwood City
> July Angel Island
> September Clipper Cove, Treasure Island
> November Candelstick Cove for a 49ers game
>
>
>Comments and suggestions will, of course, be dealt with in the usual manner.
>
>--
>fishmeal@netcom.com
>
> -"Call me Fishmeal"-
Am I the only rec.boater that boats in the Delta area?
I will make a point of making the Candelstick and Horseshoe cove
raftups. From March 1st to October my boat will be near Stockton.
Angle Island would be a 60 mile trip; forget Redwood City.
Anybody else out there interested in a more northern cybercruise?
Somewhere in the Delta, or even the Napa river would be an acceptable
range for me.
Rod McInnis
From: Paul Kamen (fishmeal@netcom.com)
Subject: Re: Cybercruise Report
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Date: 1995-02-01 13:24:33 PST
We could do wone in Bel Marin Keys, off Novato Creek which empties into
the mouth of the Petaluma river. You even get to go through a navigation
lock to get in there. It's still a long trip from the Delta, though.
--
fishmeal@netcom.com
-"Call me Fishmeal"-
From: Louis B. Brydon (brydon@orca.ssd.loral.com)
Subject: Re: Cybercruise Report
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Date: 1995-02-01 19:59:37 PST
In article <1995Feb1.191034.14650@adobe.com>, rmcinnis@mv.us.adobe.com
(Rod Mc Innis) wrote:
>
> Anybody else out there interested in a more northern cybercruise?
> Somewhere in the Delta, or even the Napa river would be an acceptable
> range for me.
>
> Rod McInnis
I'm with you Rod. We're planning to go to the Delta sometime in Late
July or August. We usally hand out somewhere on the SJ river. How about
a CyberCruise to something like Mandeville anchorage some weekend in August?
Napa river cruise is a good spring tide trek that is do-able over a three
day weekend. How about Mermorial Day or Labor Day?
--
Louis B. Brydon
brydon@orca.ssd.loral.com
WA6OCZ
SEASTAR - Redwood City, California
Space Systems/LORAL (there be satellites here...)
Palo Alto.Ba.Ca.USA.Terra.Sol.Milkyway
From: Capt. Morgan (capt.morgan@invictus.Eng.Sun.COM)
Subject: New CyberCruise Web Page
Newsgroups: rec.boats
Date: 1995/04/03
The San Francisco Bay CyberCruise WWW Page has just been improved
by the following:
1) A faster link.
2) Many new features and pictures.
Can you find the picture of Fishmeal?
Check out the URL at http://www.microtech.com/cybercruise
Enjoy!
Captain Morgan
Commodore, Sea of Anarchy Yacht Club
Protector of the South Bay
.
From: Shellie T. Taylor (shellie@netcom.com)
Subject: Death on San Pablo Bay
Newsgroups: rec.boats.racing, rec.boats
Date: 1995/05/08
I don't know how to begin this post, but it seems very important.
Please forgive any errors.
On today's Vallejo race, on a tack, my daughter slid under the lifelines
and went overboard. She clung to the stanchion on the low side. We
rounded up immediately She was underwater and the sea ripped her right
off the boat. The wind blew us off and we couldn't get close enough to
grab her. Like all the rest of us, she was not wearing a PFD.
We came about immediately, screaming "Man Overboard!" at any boat near
enough to hear. I don't know all the boats that responded. We came
about and threw the horseshoe, but the wind caught it and it wasn't
close to her. After screaming "Mom!" a few times and then just
screaming, she regained her head and floated on her back. The water kept
breaking over her. We came about and tried to get close several times,
but the weather helm kept overwhelming us so we dropped our sails and
started the engine. Another boat got close enough to grab her over their
transom, but the crew member's grip slipped. I believe at this time he
grabbed her foulie jacket. She slid out of it and went back in the
water. We came close again and my husband jumped in the water and swam
to her.
Our motor fouled in a sheet gone overboard in the chaos, and stopped. We
had called the Coast Guard, fired flares, read our GPS reading to them.
By the time Joe got to Victoria and he grabbed her to keep her head above
water, he believes she may have already drowned. The Coast Guard got there
very quickly. Ladyhawke got there first, and threw Joe a halyard which he
clipped to his SOSpenders, and he was able to hang onto Victoria while
Ladyhawke hung onto him. The coast guard pulled her out, and Lady Hawk
pulled him out. We got a tow into San Rafael and waited for news. The
coast guard officer told us she was dead.
She was so scared, and she fought so hard, and we got someone to her as
fast as we could. It wasn't enough. She was twenty. I watched it all.
Falling overboard happens so fast. It could have been any of us. She had
raced with me before, and knew the risks. So did we all. When one crew
member was below and someone asked if we wanted him to get PFDs as long as
he was down there, everybody shook their heads. Drowning happens fast,
too. Victoria was a strong swimmer. We all though we knew enough to
rescue someone in time. We didn't, and we didn't.
Please, please, wear your PFDs. I bet not one in twenty racers was wearing
one today. We heard other maydays for man overboard as we struggled and
as we were towed to San Rafael.
And to the short-handed and heroic Ladyyhawke, and other boats whose names
we don't yet know, the Coast Guard, and the San Rafael police boat, our
heartfelt thanks for making every effort humanly possible.
To my crew, we could not have survived this day without you.
Shellie Taylor and Joe Chew
Merit 25 "Pink Panther"
Alameda, California
From: Craig Jungers (cjungers@ncw.net)
Subject: Re: Death on San Pablo Bay
Newsgroups: rec.boats.racing, rec.boats
Date: 1995/05/08
In article ,
shellie@netcom.com (Shellie T. Taylor) wrote:
> I don't know how to begin this post, but it seems very important.
> Please forgive any errors.
>
> On today's Vallejo race, on a tack, my daughter slid under the lifelines
> and went overboard.........
Shellie,
My heart goes out to you. I'm so sorry that you had to go through this.
Please know that my family shares a little of your grief. Your post
was difficult to read; I can imagine (or try to imagine - as father of
an 18-yr-old daughter who also loves to sail) how difficult it was for
you to write.
Thank you for sharing this with us. It's important to remember that it
can happen to everyone.
Craig Jungers --- Royal City, WA 99357
From: Brian Battuello (bb@well.sf.ca.us)
Subject: Re: Death on San Pablo Bay
Newsgroups: rec.boats.racing, rec.boats
Date: 1995/05/08
I am very, very sorry. Thank you for your post.
From: Nathan Tinnin (tinnin@bga.com)
Subject: Re: Death on San Pablo Bay
Newsgroups: rec.boats.racing, rec.boats
Date: 1995/05/08
I am so sorry. God bless you.
From: Paul Kamen (fishmeal@netcom.com)
Subject: Re: Death on San Pablo Bay
Newsgroups: rec.boats.racing, rec.boats
Date: 1995/05/09
Shellie is an active CyberCruiser (that's the group of rec.boaters and
rec.boats.racers who meet every other month for a raft-up in San
Francisco Bay) and we've been shedding a lot of tears this morning on the
CyberCruise mailing list. She and Pink Panther were rafted up with us
just last weekend in Westpoint Slough (near Redwood City).
In the case of the Larry Klein death last September during Big Boat
Series, there is still some doubt whether a life jacket would have saved
him. But there's very little question here. The Merit 25 fleet is already
moving to institute a mandatory lifejacket rule, at least for summer racing
on the Bay. We encourage other one-design fleets that have local control
of their class rules to consider something similar. We *can* take action
to make sure this doesn't happen again.
--
fishmeal@netcom.com
http://www.well.com/www/pk/fishmeal.html
-"Call me Fishmeal"-
From: Linden Lindy Sisk (lindy@shell.portal.com)
Subject: Re: Death on San Pablo Bay
Newsgroups: rec.boats.racing, rec.boats
Date: 1995/05/10
Paul Kamen (fishmeal@netcom.com) wrote:
: In the case of the Larry Klein death last September during Big Boat
: Series, there is still some doubt whether a life jacket would have saved
: him. But there's very little question here. The Merit 25 fleet is already
: moving to institute a mandatory lifejacket rule, at least for summer racing
: on the Bay. We encourage other one-design fleets that have local control
: of their class rules to consider something similar. We *can* take action
: to make sure this doesn't happen again.
Walt Stack notwithstanding, people who sail or boat in cold water ought
to be wearing a PFD. If you don't want to wear the bulky ones, get
one of the inflatibles - bearing in mind that they are NOT Coast Guard
approved. When I kayak in cold water, I wear a dry suit PLUS a PFD,
because I often am by myself and must retain sufficient coordination
to self-rescue.
I hope lots of people learn something from this tragedy.
--
Lindy Sisk lindy@shell.portal.com
Stealth Paddler
"If you didn't see me, it's not because I wasn't there!"
"Gene Police! You - Outta the Pool!"
From: Brent Draney (BRDraney@lbl.gov)
Subject: Re: Death on San Pablo Bay
Newsgroups: rec.boats.racing, rec.boats
Date: 1995/05/10
Do you think that we can invoke the Larry Klein Rule on
this friday night race? I know that I could use the practice.
Also a manditory lifejacket rule for the beercan races wouldn't
hurt.
With Sympathy
Brent
From: Hoover Chan (hchan@well.sf.ca.us)
Subject: Re: Death on San Pablo Bay
Newsgroups: rec.boats.racing, rec.boats
Date: 1995/05/10
Very sorry to hear about this. My deepest condolences go out to you.
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From: Ralph Hollingsworth (ralph@muskingum.edu)
Subject: Re: Death on San Pablo Bay
Newsgroups: rec.boats.racing, rec.boats
Date: 1995/05/09
Shellie and Joe,
We're sorry to hear of your loss - our hearts are with you.
--Ralph
From: John Camp (jcamp@mr.net)
Subject: Re: Death on San Pablo Bay
Newsgroups: rec.boats.racing, rec.boats
Date: 1995/05/10
My God, that's appalling. I am so sorry...
John Camp
From: Colin.Walls@barclays.co.uk (Colin.Walls@barclays.co.uk)
Subject: Re: Death on San Pablo Bay
Newsgroups: rec.boats.racing, rec.boats
Date: 1995/05/10
Shellie T. Taylor (shellie@netcom.com) wrote:
: Please, please, wear your PFDs. I bet not one in twenty racers was wearing
: one today. We heard other maydays for man overboard as we struggled and
: as we were towed to San Rafael.
I don't want to sound sententious at this time, and like everyone else who
has replied to this message I send my condolences.
However you should aim not to go into the water at all. Look at the
statistics for recovery of people who actually go overboard, it is very low.
You should wear a harness with a reasonably short tether.
--
Colin Walls |
Colin.Walls@barclays.co.uk (work)| Die Tat ist alles,
Colin@murorum.demon.co.uk (home) | nichts der Ruhm.
Tel: 01565-614531 |
From: Shellie T. Taylor (shellie@netcom.com)
Subject: Re: Death on San Pablo Bay
Newsgroups: rec.boats.racing, rec.boats
Date: 1995/05/11
Colin Walls wrote:
: I don't want to sound sententious at this time, and like everyone else who
: has replied to this message I send my condolences.
: However you should aim not to go into the water at all. Look at the
: statistics for recovery of people who actually go overboard, it is very low.
: You should wear a harness with a reasonably short tether.
We've been discussing this too. As a matter of fact I'd bought some
tethers (and a harness for anyone on foredeck who didn't wear SOSpenders
or another PFD with one built in) but the system wasn't implemented yet for
the Vallejo race. Who knows when I'd have actually installed things to
clip to. It just didn't seem urgent.
As has already been noted, it's important to have not only a PFD, but a
means of securing a line to it in a rescue. That would have saved
Victoria when Alexandria got her: they didn't have anything to grab hold
of except wet, slippery, semiconscious girl in wet, slippery foulies.
You know the rest. In buying a PFD, you might want to make that a
consideration. A vest-type PFD with a zipper gives neither a secure
purchase nor an attachment point, and those things can be very important
in getting a MOB onto a rescue vessel. If Joe had not been wearing
SOSpenders, Ladyhawke could not have hung onto him until the Coast Guard
arrived. Then there might have been two victims. Even Joe in his PFD
had a hard time breathing air instead of water in those conditions.
Think about it before your next purchase.
Shellie Taylor
Merit 25 "Pink Panther"
From: Nikki Locke (nikki@trmphrst.demon.co.uk)
Subject: Re: Death on San Pablo Bay
Newsgroups: rec.boats.racing, rec.boats
Date: 1995/05/10
Deepest sympathies.
From: Elizabeth Spatz (espatz@getty.edu)
Subject: Re: Death on San Pablo Bay
Newsgroups: rec.boats.racing, rec.boats
Date: 1995/05/12
My deepest sympathies to Shellie Taylor and her family for their loss. I
know many have posted responses to this tragedy and I'd like Shellie
to know that her urgings to be prepared for MOB's will be passed on to
all my boating friends. Just last week I was out w/ a couple of dear
friends -- the husband a very experienced sailer and the wife an adept
but less skilled crewperson. She's always been anxious about the
possibility of her husband falling overboard and being left alone so
right then and there, we started practicing MOB's but of course the
situation was one completely in our control. I'm going to show them
Shellie's post of the incident and we're going to be much more serious
w/ our MOB and PFD consciousness. These things can happen to any of us
(and almost have, to me) and being prepared is the best prevention
possible.
Again, my sincerest condolences.
Elizabeth Spatz
Redondo Beach Sailing Club
From: SCTierra (sctierra@aol.com)
Subject: Re: Death on San Pablo Bay
Newsgroups: rec.boats.racing
Date: 1995/05/12
re: Collin Walls suggestion that crew be tethered to boat.
This has been common practice for overnight ocean races on boats that I
have crewed on but I've never used a harness and tether during the day on
the ocean except when going on a watch that would extended into the night.
It is difficult for me to see crew tethered during a bouy race in SF Bay.
Perhaps this might work for cockpit crew who work within a relatively
small locale but mid-boat and foredeck crew would be extremely hampered.
In fact I foresee a greatly increased danger of fouled lines, snagged
legs, and general mayhem with four to six crew crossing the boat during
tacks.
I crew on a J35 and know from experience that mast, and especially bow,
work would be outright dangerous with a tether trailing from my chest.
I understand the suggestion for "something to get a hold of" on a PFD and
the SOSpenders harness combo I wear offers that. Yet here, again, no one
piece of equipment fits all the criteria that can be brought into the
equation. Handling foredeck in an auto-inflate SOSpenders is asking for
trouble (you're wet much of the time), yet it is a valid criticism that
the manual inflate model can not help you if you're are out cold or
disoriented. Yet most, or at least many, PFDs don't offer anything "to get
hold of" once you are into the water.
Steve Tierra
SCTierra@aol.com
From: Jeffrey Mogul (mogul@pa.dec.com)
Subject: Re: Death on San Pablo Bay
Newsgroups: rec.boats.racing
Date: 1995/05/17
In article <3p0t89$8og@newsbf02.news.aol.com> sctierra@aol.com (SCTierra) writes:
>I understand the suggestion for "something to get a hold of" on a PFD and
>the SOSpenders harness combo I wear offers that. Yet here, again, no one
>piece of equipment fits all the criteria that can be brought into the
>equation. Handling foredeck in an auto-inflate SOSpenders is asking for
>trouble (you're wet much of the time), yet it is a valid criticism that
>the manual inflate model can not help you if you're are out cold or
>disoriented. Yet most, or at least many, PFDs don't offer anything "to get
>hold of" once you are into the water.
I bought an auto-inflate SOSpenders last month. I did have some doubts
about whether I should have gone with the auto-inflate model, but I
decided to try it out to see how much trouble it would be.
I used it for the first time on the Crewed Lightship race, in which I did
foredeck on an Express 27. For people outside the SF Bay area, this is
an ocean race (the mark is ca. 10 miles out from the Golden Gate). As
seems to be mandatory this year, the weather turned nasty. We got hit
by heavy rain and a lot of wind (somewhere around 30 kts, I would guess)
while we were going into the wind, into the waves, and into the swell.
I did a few headsail changes in these conditions.
I don't think I ever submerged in seawater, but we certainly got hit
by enough rain (even with sunglasses on, I couldn't look upwind for
more than a few seconds). The SOSpenders did not inflate. Does this
mean that it never will pre-inflate? Probably not, but I'll keep
wearing it until something goes wrong. At least for ocean races;
I haven't decided whether to wear it for Bay races (instead of my
Type III jacket, which I always wear).
-Jeff
From: Larry Rosenzweig (cawong@merle.acns.nwu.edu)
Subject: Re: Death on San Pablo Bay
Newsgroups: rec.boats.racing
Date: 1995/05/17
In article <3pbjnn$3e0$1@usenet.pa.dec.com> mogul@pa.dec.com (Jeffrey Mogul) writes:
>From: mogul@pa.dec.com (Jeffrey Mogul)
>Subject: Re: Death on San Pablo Bay
>Date: 17 May 1995 01:32:38 GMT
>In article <3p0t89$8og@newsbf02.news.aol.com> sctierra@aol.com (SCTierra)
>writes:
>>I understand the suggestion for "something to get a hold of" on a PFD and
>>the SOSpenders harness combo I wear offers that. Yet here, again, no one
>>piece of equipment fits all the criteria that can be brought into the
>>equation. Handling foredeck in an auto-inflate SOSpenders is asking for
>>trouble (you're wet much of the time), yet it is a valid criticism that
>>the manual inflate model can not help you if you're are out cold or
>>disoriented. Yet most, or at least many, PFDs don't offer anything "to get
>>hold of" once you are into the water.
>I bought an auto-inflate SOSpenders last month. I did have some doubts
>about whether I should have gone with the auto-inflate model, but I
>decided to try it out to see how much trouble it would be.
>I used it for the first time on the Crewed Lightship race, in which I did
>foredeck on an Express 27. For people outside the SF Bay area, this is
>an ocean race (the mark is ca. 10 miles out from the Golden Gate). As
>seems to be mandatory this year, the weather turned nasty. We got hit
>by heavy rain and a lot of wind (somewhere around 30 kts, I would guess)
>while we were going into the wind, into the waves, and into the swell.
>I did a few headsail changes in these conditions.
>I don't think I ever submerged in seawater, but we certainly got hit
>by enough rain (even with sunglasses on, I couldn't look upwind for
>more than a few seconds). The SOSpenders did not inflate. Does this
>mean that it never will pre-inflate? Probably not, but I'll keep
>wearing it until something goes wrong. At least for ocean races;
>I haven't decided whether to wear it for Bay races (instead of my
>Type III jacket, which I always wear).
>-Jeff
We've had a few inflate without the need to fall overboard first! One time
the bow guy (as opposed to the bow chick) had an inadvertant inflation, so
to speak. He was a bit startled since this had never happened to him on the
foredeck before.
A couple of times we've arrived at the boat to find a unit inflated. Upon
inspection, it appears that the "bobbin" cracked and allowed the firing pin
to penetrate the cylinder, releasing the gas. We don't know if this was
through careless handling or if it happens over time.
In any case, make sure you keep a few re-charge kits in watertight
containers in your sea bag or on the boat, unless you want to keep it
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From: Renee Wilmeth - Applied Business TeleCom (rwilmeth@well.sf.ca.us)
Subject: Re: Death on San Pablo Bay
Newsgroups: rec.boats.racing
Date: 1995/05/17
I have the Crewsavers brands of inflatable. There are 100 percent more
comfortable (at least for me) than the then SOSpenders. The harnesses
actually come in size breakdowns (large adult, small adult, etc.) and fit
most women better than the other. The units are just all around nicer also,
with a whistle packed inside, room for a strobe and straps sewn on to the
life vest part. They are a little more expensive than SOSpenders, but I
think, for me, well worth it.
From: SCTierra (sctierra@aol.com)
Subject: Re: Death on San Pablo Bay
Newsgroups: rec.boats.racing
Date: 1995/05/17
I have received a private reply from a couple who has good (no
pre-inflate) experiences with their SOSpenders. I do know that one of the
crew of X-Dream (local SF boat) had a manual unit accidentally inflate in
the wet darkness during last year's Santa Barabara race while working at
the butt end of the pole.
Looks like mixes reviews.
Steve Tierra
SCTierra@aol.com
From: Alzora (alzora@aol.com)
Subject: Re: Death on San Pablo Bay
Newsgroups: rec.boats.racing
Date: 1995/05/18
I bought my SOSpenders after talking to a guy at the Stockton Sailing Club
Bar. He had just been rescued off Pt. Sur. A plank sprung on a boat he and
some friends were taking down the coast. Thw pump and people could not
keep up with the leak. They contacted a fleet oiler nearby and arranged a
rendevous. Unfortunately, conditions were such that boat and ship handling
was extremely tough. The ship tried to make a lee by backing down and
succeeded in sucking the boat alongside where it was dismasted. Everyone
on deck was knocked over: some had been clipped into the rig and not jack
lines.
The guy who told me the story landed between the ship and the boat.
His SOSpenders inflated and caused what he thought would be sudden death.
He was stuck between a ship and a large boat in big swells with no way to
swim away and no way to dive down to avoid being crushed. Incredibly, as
the vessels came together his SOSpenders absorbed much of the force and
"squirted" him down out of the impact zone. This occurred several times
before he was able to get out of the way. His SOSPenders held up. He also
had an experience on the voyage with an unplanned inflate when a wave
swept the deck. Anyway, after hearing his story I went down and bought
one. So far no trouble, even after several quick dunkings.
From: Paul Schwartz (capstan@netcom.com)
Subject: Re: Death on San Pablo Bay
Newsgroups: rec.boats.racing, rec.boats
Date: 1995/05/10
Thank you for sharing this with us. Obviously this is a painfull time
for you and we should learn from this.
Having almost fallen overboard once, I know it happens very quickly.
I think we all should consider our PFD's as more than a coast guard
requirement.
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From: sboyle@sailnet.com (sboyle@sailnet.com)
Subject: Re: Death on San Pablo Bay
Newsgroups: rec.boats.racing
Date: 1995/05/09
TM>I am so sorry. God bless you.
Amen!
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From: dudley (dudley@Eng.Sun.COM)
Subject: Blimp looking for CyberCruise
Newsgroups: rec.boats.cruising
Date: 1996/09/30
SF Bay CyberCruisers,
Did anyone watch the 49ers game at Candlestick yesterday? The blimp was
there looking to provide another 15-seconds of fame for the CyberCruisers
but, alas, we were not there. In our stead, they had to use an overhead
shot of some birds (incorrectly identified by John Madden as seals) sitting
on a guano covered rock.
Hey, Blimp Driver, we'll be there on November 10th for the Dallas game!
dudley
.
From: Rod Mc Innis (rmcinnis@adobe.com)
Subject: Re: Blimp looking for CyberCruise
Newsgroups: rec.boats.cruising
Date: 1996/10/02
dudley (dudley@Eng.Sun.COM) wrote:
: SF Bay CyberCruisers,
: Did anyone watch the 49ers game at Candlestick yesterday? The blimp was
Nope, missed it.
Hey, I got an idea! Maybe we could arrange all the boats in the
raft up to spell out GO 49ers! That might attract the blimp.....
Rod
From: dudley (dudley@Eng.Sun.COM)
Subject: Re: Blimp looking for CyberCruise
Newsgroups: rec.boats.cruising
Date: 1996/10/02
In article gvv@enquirer.corp.adobe.com, rmcinnis@adobe.com (Rod Mc Innis) writes:
->
-> Hey, I got an idea! Maybe we could arrange all the boats in the
->raft up to spell out GO 49ers! That might attract the blimp.....
It's not necessary to sell out to get the blimp's attention. We debated this
point 2 years ago...even to the point of someone's suggestion that we send a
press release to FOX. Believe me, the sight of a dozen boats rafted together
is enough of an attraction. Those birds got lots of air time last Sunday,
complete with John Madden's telestrator drawing on the screen, and they were
just sitting on a guano covered rock.
I think it was the table of white wine and cheese that caught their attention
last time. But I really do think we should discourage Shellie from trying to
get everyone to moon the blimp.
dudley
.
From: dudley (dudley@Eng.Sun.COM)
Subject: To Lee Helm
Newsgroups: rec.boats.cruising
Date: 1996/10/04
Dear Lee,
You can imagine my surprise, as I was sitting on the toilet reading Latitude 38
this morning, when I found that you told Max Ebb about the CyberCruise to the
49er game on November 9-10th.
Now I truly respect your sailing abilities, and you are still the only person
to have arrived at a CyberCruise on a sailboard, but this Max Ebb guy appears
to be a bit of a nerd. Does he know anything about boating that he hasn't learned
from you? Does he ever get out from behind his keyboard and actually go sailing?
Has he ever hung a fender over the side? Does he know the difference between a
double-ender and a double-reverse?
Oh, well, not to bother. As you know, we welcome all types...sailors, power boaters,
single, married, with kids, without kids, beer drinkers, wine drinkers, water drinkers,
football fans, football ignorant commie pinkos, long hairs, buzz cuts, classical
music lovers, rock 'n rollers, early risers, late risers, vegetarians, omnivores,
even computer geeks.
But remember, there is one thing not allowed at CyberCruises:
Captain Morgan's Original Spiced Rum
So, Lee, set your VCR and we'll see you at Candlestick Cove.
Go 9ers,
dudley
.
From: Capt'n Morgan (dudley@Eng.Sun.COM)
Subject: CyberCruise Blimp Shot II
Newsgroups: rec.boats.cruising
Date: 1996/11/11
The SF Bay CyberCruisers got their second shot on national TV yesterday
when the MetLife blimp caught the raft-up at Candlestick Cove after a
station break near the end of the first quarter of the 49ers-Cowboys
game.
Proving that any original idea is worth copying, a boat unassociated
with the CyberCruisers also got a shot, but they had to sell their
souls by pandering to John Madden to get it. Real CyberCrisers hang
fenders over the side and spend the night at anchor.
It was a perfect weekend for raft-ups, if not for sailing. There wasn't
a ripple on the water and temperatures reached the mid-70s.
Check out the pictures (there is even one of the All Madden Intruders) via
ftp from ftp.netcom.com at "/pub/ws/wsanders/ccvid[1-5].gif".
Capt'n Morgan
Commodore, Sea of Anarchy Yacht Club
.
From: Rod Mc Innis (rmcinnis@adobe.com)
Subject: Re: CyberCruise Blimp Shot II
Newsgroups: rec.boats.cruising
Date: 1996/11/13
Capt'n Morgan (dudley@Eng.Sun.COM) wrote:
: It was a perfect weekend for raft-ups, if not for sailing. There wasn't
: a ripple on the water and temperatures reached the mid-70s.
I have to agree! What a great weekend, and wonderful raft-up we
had!
Can't wait till the next one (January 25th?)
Rod McInnis
From: Bob Bumala (bob@chex.stanford.edu)
Subject: Re: CyberCruise Blimp Shot II
Newsgroups: rec.boats.cruising
Date: 1996/11/19
I really wanted to be there, but unfortunatly, the sea dog managed to
impale herself on a stick, requireing stiches, and imprisonment to the
garage. We had to be here to give comfort, and an ocasional walk.
Anyway I taped the event, and on my web page is a movie of your 4
seconds of fame.
I hope to make it next time,
Bob.
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From: x340152 (colin@iww.org)
Subject: Sea of Anarchy YC [was:Re: SF Bay CyberCruise]
Newsgroups: rec.boats.cruising
Date: 1997/10/15
On 13 Oct 1997 rmcinnis@lsil.com wrote:
> In article <61lvbc$edd@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM>, capt.morgan@foospam.Eng.Sun.COM
> says...
> >
> >The next SF Bay CyberCruise is rapidly approaching. Check out
> >the Sea of Anarchy Yacht Club web page for information:
....And that is....? Missed it.
-Colin
From: rmcinnis@lsil.com (rmcinnis@lsil.com)
Subject: Re: Sea of Anarchy YC [was:Re: SF Bay CyberCruise]
Newsgroups: rec.boats.cruising
Date: 1997/10/15
In article , x340152
says...
>
>On 13 Oct 1997 rmcinnis@lsil.com wrote:
>
>> In article <61lvbc$edd@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM>, capt.morgan@foospam.Eng.Sun.COM
>> says...
>> >
>> >The next SF Bay CyberCruise is rapidly approaching. Check out
>> >the Sea of Anarchy Yacht Club web page for information:
>
>
>....And that is....? Missed it.
The web site is at http://www.microtech.com/cybercruise
But having browsed the page myself and didn't have the date jump out at me, I
feel compelled (at the risk of violating some unwritten rule of the SAYC) to
divulge the information.
Nov. 1-2, Candlestick Cove
Rod McInnis
From: Paul Kamen (fishmeal@netcom.com)
Subject: Re: Sea of Anarchy YC [was:Re: SF Bay CyberCruise]
Newsgroups: rec.boats.cruising
Date: 1997/10/16
rmcinnis@lsil.com writes:
>But having browsed the page myself and didn't have the date jump
>out at me, I feel compelled (at the risk of violating some
>unwritten rule of the SAYC) to divulge the information.
>
>Nov. 1-2, Candlestick Cove
Rules? In the SEA OF ANARCHY???
Actually I don't think there's any problem about posting CyberCruise time
and place info. It's the mailing list that's hush-hush, and because of
certain policies of certain corporate email servers beyond our control,
the only way to get on the CyberCruise email list (and thus find out
about the CyberCruises) is to attend a CyberCruise. Tricky, huh?
But really, we do have very rigorous membership requirements, aside from
that little obstacle. Participation in a CyberCruise is STRICTLY LIMITED
to:
1) Members of the sailing conference on The WELL.
2) Posters in rec.boats.cruising
3) Lurkers in rec.boats.cruising
4) Lurkers in rec.boats.* (excpet those with Bayliners or AOL
accounts) ;-)
5) Members of Berkeley Yacht Club or the Cal Sailing Club
6) People who have run aground in Redwood Creek
7) Friends of lurkers in rec.boats.*
8) Anyone else who finds out about it
So if you think you qualify, be at Candlestick Cove the weekend of
November 1-2. Odds are we'll get another blimp shot. Just think...
YOUR BOAT ON NATIONAL TV!
--
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http://www.well.com/~pk/fishmeal.html
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From: FIDO (francis@stanford.edu)
Subject: Re: Sea of Anarchy YC [was:Re: SF Bay CyberCruise]
Newsgroups: rec.boats.cruising
Date: 1997/10/16
Paul Kamen writes:
So if you think you qualify, be at Candlestick Cove
the weekend of November 1-2.
To those not old enough to remember, for Candlestick Cove
read 3COM Cove.
Capn FIDO
From: rmcinnis@lsil.com (rmcinnis@lsil.com)
Subject: Re: Sea of Anarchy YC [was:Re: SF Bay CyberCruise]
Newsgroups: rec.boats.cruising
Date: 1997/10/16
In article , fishmeal@netcom.com says...
>Rules? In the SEA OF ANARCHY???
No, no no!
The proper response was:
ALL the rules are unwritten.
Rod
From: Craig Homer (craigh@xmission.com)
Subject: Re: Sea of Anarchy YC [was:Re: SF Bay CyberCruise]
Newsgroups: rec.boats.cruising
Date: 1997/10/19
In article ,
fishmeal@netcom.com (Paul Kamen) wrote:
> rmcinnis@lsil.com writes:
>
> >But having browsed the page myself and didn't have the date jump
> >out at me, I feel compelled (at the risk of violating some
> >unwritten rule of the SAYC) to divulge the information.
> >
> >Nov. 1-2, Candlestick Cove
>
>
>So if you think you qualify, be at Candlestick Cove the weekend of
>November 1-2. Odds are we'll get another blimp shot. Just think...
Fishmeal & other SAYC'rs
I'll be flying out to the bay area that weekend to do some sea kayaking on
November 1. Any chance of hooking up with one of you on Sunday somewhere to
join you as passenger/crew?
Craig Homer
Salt Lake City, Utah
From: Capt'n Morgan (dudley@foospam.Eng.Sun.COM)
Subject: Cyber9erCruise Report
Newsgroups: rec.boats.cruising
Date: 1997/11/06
Cyber9erCruise 97
They both left their slips
for the CyberCruise,
Headed South from Alameda,
Had no time to lose.
What they didn't know,
With the tide going down,
Was that they would soon
Find themselves aground.
And when duty called,
So she couldn't go.
He decided to her rescue,
He would row.
He couldn't get to shore
In that little dink.
And everyone knew that
Her panties were pink.
The Perry arrived,
With a keg full of stout,
And when a swell hit,
It would roll all about.
But that didn't matter.
It had a good head.
And after a few,
We all want to bed.
Sunday morning at dawn,
With the first sun ray,
It became quite clear,
T'was a beautiful day.
The dinghies were launched,
The beer babes did row.
Did they get free beer?
The answer is no.
The schock pulled away,
In the first quarter.
Seems they were afraid,
They'd run out of water.
Leaving Splash all alone,
With 3 floating boats,
But all by himself,
He handled those ropes.
Then out came the decals,
For which there was a beer,
If someone could get one,
On their spouse's rear.
But what is that photo?
Take a look at the butt.
If you think it's cute,
You must be a nut.
We were all ready,
With the blimp in the sky.
But at every commercial,
They just flew on by.
The blimp was from Goodyear,
Not Fuji or Met,
Those other two blimps,
Were a much better bet.
By late in the day,
We had someone new,
To add to the list,
Of the CyberCruise crew.
But too soon it ended,
We packed up our stuff.
See you all next time,
I can't get enough.
Next CyberCruise: Three-Bridge-Fiasco Weekend (January 98) Horsechoe Cove
Capt'n Morgan
Commodore, Sea of Anarchy Yacht Club
.
From: Rod McInnis (rmcinnis@teleworld.com)
Subject: Re: Cyber9erCruise Report
Newsgroups: rec.boats.cruising
Date: 1997/11/06
Capt'n Morgan wrote:
> Cyber9erCruise 97
>
> They both left their slips
> for the CyberCruise,
> Headed South from Alameda,
> Had no time to lose.
>
> What they didn't know,
> With the tide going down,
> Was that they would soon
> Find themselves aground.
Hey, those of us who were stuck in the mud had our own little party while
we waited for high tide!
> Next CyberCruise: Three-Bridge-Fiasco Weekend (January 98) Horsechoe Cove
>
Is that the last Saturday (Jan 31-Feb 1) or the last full weekend
(24th-25th) ?
Rod McInnis
From: The Commodore (dudley@FOOSPAM.Eng.Sun.COM)
Subject: CyberCruise Web Page
Newsgroups: rec.boats.cruising
Date: 1998/03/11
The San Francisco Bay CyberCruise web page has been updated. It
includes new pictures of this winter's CyberCruises to Candlestick
Cove, Treasure Island, and Horseshoe Cove (beautiful sailing despite
El Nino) and lots of new crew and boat pictures.
If you've been awaiting spring to splash you boat, check out what
you've been missing. If you're in the Bay Area, check out what you
could be doing.
CyberCruises are held every other month. Next CyberCruise is March
28-29 at Clipper Cove. All rec.boats.cruising readers are welcome.
Check out the pages for info. You'll find it at:
http://cybercruise.microtech.com/
dudley
Commodore, Sea of Anarchy Yacht Club
San Francisco Bay, California
.
From: Paul Kamen (fishmeal@netcom.com)
Subject: Re: CyberCruise Web Page
Newsgroups: rec.boats.cruising
Date: 1998/03/12
dudley@FOOSPAM.Eng.Sun.COM writes:
>...CyberCruises are held every other month. Next
>CyberCruise is March 28-29 at Clipper Cove. All
>rec.boats.cruising readers are welcome....
Now wait just a darn minute there Mudley. The Cybercruisers are a *very*
exclusive club, and not just any old lurker can show up and expect to us
to look up from our grey poupon when they toss over their lines.
To be eligible to attend a CyberCruise, you have to:
a) Be a member in good standing of the Sea of Anarchy Yacht Club
(which you can only join by attending a CyberCruise).
b) Post to the sailing conference of The WELL.
c) Be a member of the Cal Sailing Club, the SF Bay Merit 25 Fleet, or
the St. Francis Yacht Club.
d) Have at least 10 posts in the rec.boats.* newsgroups show up under
your name in dejanews.
e) Be able to document the fact that you sent a postcard to Craig
Shergold.
f) Have a really cool dinghy.
g) Have run aground three times in the last 12 months.
h) Know someone who's run aground three times in the last 12 months.
i) Read this notice
j) Know someone who has read this notice.
There. That should keep the papparazzi at bay.
--
fishmeal@netcom.com
http://www.well.com/~pk/fishmeal.html
-"Call me Fishmeal"-
From: Mudley (dudley@FOOSPAM.Eng.Sun.COM)
Subject: Re: CyberCruise Web Page
Newsgroups: rec.boats.cruising
Date: 1998/03/12
In article 7wu@netcom.com, fishmeal@netcom.com (Paul Kamen) writes:
>
>To be eligible to attend a CyberCruise, you have to:
>
> a) Be a member in good standing of the Sea of Anarchy Yacht Club
> (which you can only join by attending a CyberCruise).
And for which you need to:
1) Read and understand the rules (http://cybercruise.microtech.com/rules.html).
2) Have appeared on national television.
3) Know who Lt. Snodgrass is.
4) Have a shiny spot on the bottom of your keel.
5) Do a crew overboard without getting wet.
6) Sing off-key.
7) Spend a night in a slough.
8) Row an inflatable.
9) Feed a Muddy.
10) Make fun of racers.
Auditions to be held March 28-29, Clipper Cove. See:
http://cybercruise.microtech.com/
for details.
mudley
.
From: dudley (dudley@FOOSPAM.Eng.Sun.COM)
Subject: CyberCruise - 5 years later
Newsgroups: rec.boats, rec.boats.cruising
Date: 1998/05/27
Five years ago, the rec.boats readers of San Francisco Bay decided to
have a face-to-face, or more correctly a fender-to-fender meeting in
Clipper Cove at Treasure Island. About 10 boats showed up.
Everyone had a great time and we decided to continue the meetings every
other month. Five years later, our membership has grown and we are still
meeting at a different Bay Area anchorage every other month. We have made
some great friendships and done much sailing. The Sea of Anarchy Yacht
Club is very active on The Bay and California coastal waters.
This year we will expand our horizons. Eight of us, sailors who met
through the Internet and rec.boats, will be sailing on the Perry 47,
La Adriana, to Hawaii at the end of next month. We have spent months
preparing the boat and taking offshore shakedown cruises. We're ready
to go!
For a history of the CyberCruise since that first meeting in '93, and
lots of pictures, check out our web page at:
http://cybercruise.microtech.com/
May CyberCruise: This weekend, TI
July CyberCurise: July 17, Kaneohe Yacht Club, Oahu, Hawaii
Sept CyberCruise: TBD
See web page for details.
dudley
(return address spam-protected)
.
From: dudley (dudley@Eng.Sun.COM)
Subject: SF Bay CyberCruise
Newsgroups: rec.boats.cruising
Date: 1996/09/16
Q) Does anyone know how the Labor Day CyberCruise went?
A) Yes, the Labor Day CyberCruise destination was Half Moon Bay. It was
the first time in 3 years of CyberCruises that a destination outside
the Golden Gate was chosen. We had 10 CyberCruise boats show up for
the 3-day weekend, highlighted by the pig roast on the beach hosted
by the Half Moon Bay Yacht Club.
Q) Does anyone know when the next bi-monthly San Francisco Bay CyberCruise
is being held?
A) Yes, this will be the third annual Cyber9erCruise to Candlestick. The
dates are Nov 9-10th. The 49ers play the Cowboys on November 10th and
our goal, as usual, is to get our picture on TV. We had great success
on our first attempt with a close-up-zoom-to-wide-angle shot of the
raft on a return from a commercial break and an amuzing dialogue between
John Madden and Pat Summerall about what we were doing. Last year, the
blimp didn't show up and all we got was a brief shot from the stadium
as the raft was breaking up at the end of the game.
Q) How do I get invited to a CyberCruise?
A) You're invited. Just show up. Some people will probably arrive Friday
evening, but if you're a newcomer, it would probably be best to plan on
arriving on Saturday afternoon. At that time, we'll probably be the only
raft in Candlestick Cove (just South-West of Hunter's Point). The usual
procedure for newcomers is:
1) Put out some fenders to show your intention.
2) Cruise alongside and say "CyberCruise". If you are at the right place,
someone will help get you tied up.
A) What should I bring?
Q) Most boats show up with enough food and drink to sustain themselves, but
mealtimes turn into day-long pot luck affairs. Someone always has a plate
of goodies going.
Q) Are power boats welcome?
A) Of course.
Q) Will I fit in?
A) Sure, as long as you don't show up in white pants and blue blazer and as
long as you don't talk computers, you should get along fine.
Q) What if I have more questions?
A) Post them to rec.boats.cruising.
Hope to see you there,
dudley
.
From: Paul Kamen (fishmeal@netcom.com)
Subject: Re: SF Bay CyberCruise
Newsgroups: rec.boats.cruising
Date: 1996/09/18
dudley@Eng.Sun.COM writes:
>Q) How do I get invited to a CyberCruise?
>
>A) You're invited. Just show up....
Don't beleive any of that bilge from Mudley!
The CyberCruise is an exclusive event, and participation is definately
*NOT* open just any old tar. You need to be at least one of the following:
A participant in the sailing conference on The WELL
A member of the Sea of Anarchy Yacht Club
A member of the SF Bay Merit 25 fleet
A member of the Cal Sailing Club
The owner of any boat over 50 ft. long
A flag officer of St. Francis Yacht Club
On the distribution list of the America's Cup (tm) Free Press
Able to name the masts on a seven-masted schooner
A poster on rec.boats, rec.boats.cruising, r.b.racing, or r.b.building
A lurker on rec.boats, rec.boats.cruising, r.b.racing, or r.b.building
A friend of a lurker on r.b, r.b.cruising, r.b.racing, or r.b.building
If you can meet any or all of these rigorous qualifications, then we'll
talk. Candlestick Cove on November 9-10. Be there or be elsewhere.
--
fishmeal@netcom.com
http://www.well.com/~pk/fishmeal.html
-"Call me Fishmeal"-
From: Shellie T. Taylor (shellie@netcom.com)
Subject: Re: SF Bay CyberCruise
Newsgroups: rec.boats.cruising
Date: 1996/09/18
dudley (dudley@Eng.Sun.COM) wrote:
: A) Yes, this will be the third annual Cyber9erCruise to Candlestick. The
: dates are Nov 9-10th. The 49ers play the Cowboys on November 10th and
: our goal, as usual, is to get our picture on TV. We had great success
: on our first attempt with a close-up-zoom-to-wide-angle shot of the
: raft on a return from a commercial break and an amuzing dialogue between
: John Madden and Pat Summerall about what we were doing. Last year, the
: blimp didn't show up and all we got was a brief shot from the stadium
: as the raft was breaking up at the end of the game.
The reason the blimp didn't show up is because we discussed mooning it with
"J-O-H-N-M-A-D-D-E-N" written upon our little cheekies in something that
would show up on TV, and we figured we'd have to be exceptionally quick
to keep them from visually bleeping us.
Fishmeal suggested a list of qualifications for joining. It helps if the
Commodore of the Sea of Anarchy Yacht Club ("You're welcome to use any of
our facilities; please tell us where you found them") can be pursuaded
that you are of dubious stability, and it helps to run your boat aground
in front of an audience. Falling off your boat at anchor is good, too.
Kids, dogs, cats, and ferrets are encouraged. We consider ourselves a
wholesome influence upon all of the above.
We especially like the powerboats when it's raining. We *especially*
like the powerboats when they have amenities that don't fit on sailboats.
We're awfully broadminded that way. (Rod, are you out there??)
: A) Sure, as long as you don't show up in white pants and blue blazer and as
: long as you don't talk computers, you should get along fine.
Dudley's lying. We have been known to talk about computers. We close
the companionway first, though, and make sure all the kids are on
somebody else's boat.
Do come. WE like us an awful lot.
--shellie taylor
self-proclaimed member
Sea of Anarchy Yacht Club
Burgee still under design
From: Sam LaVanaway (asl@netcom.com)
Subject: Re: SF Bay CyberCruise
Newsgroups: rec.boats.cruising
Date: 1996/09/19
[snip]
: Fishmeal suggested a list of qualifications for joining. It helps if the
: Commodore of the Sea of Anarchy Yacht Club ("You're welcome to use any of
: our facilities; please tell us where you found them") can be pursuaded
: that you are of dubious stability, and it helps to run your boat aground
: in front of an audience. Falling off your boat at anchor is good, too.
Of course, the most entertainment can be had at the dinghy wars and
submarine dinghy races.
: Kids, dogs, cats, and ferrets are encouraged. We consider ourselves a
: wholesome influence upon all of the above.
I would have to agree, I have two in college, one of which is married and
the one who never went on a cybercruise has turned into a wasted life, and
that's just my ferrets.
[snip]
TTFN
From: dudley (dudley@Eng.Sun.COM)
Subject: Re: SF Bay CyberCruise
Newsgroups: rec.boats.cruising
Date: 1996/09/20
In article L04@netcom.com, asl@netcom.com (Sam LaVanaway) writes:
->
->Of course, the most entertainment can be had at the dinghy wars and
->submarine dinghy races.
Ahoy, Sam,
I thought you'd moved up from bumper dinghys to bumper boats.
Crunch,
dudley
.
From: Capt'n Morgan (dudley@Eng.Sun.COM)
Subject: Re: SF Bay CyberCruise
Newsgroups: rec.boats.cruising
Date: 1996/09/19
In article KH@netcom.com, shellie@netcom.com (Shellie T. Taylor) writes:
->It helps if the
->Commodore of the Sea of Anarchy Yacht Club ("You're welcome to use any of
->our facilities; please tell us where you found them") can be pursuaded
->that you are of dubious stability, and it helps to run your boat aground
->in front of an audience. Falling off your boat at anchor is good, too.
However the ability to sing off-key at the top-of-your-lungs will qualify
you for an automatic exemption to the above rules. Also, falling into the
mud and tracking it all over someone elses boat will keep you in good stead
with The Commodore.
->--shellie taylor
->self-proclaimed member
->Sea of Anarchy Yacht Club
->Burgee still under design
Get that sewing machine humming, shellie. The Sea of Anarchy Yacht Club
membership committee has discussed your qualifications and decided that
anyone stupid enough to get stuck in full view of the entire raft-up receives
the necessary points to become an official member. By the powers vested in me,
I hereby proclaim Shellie Taylor to be an official member, in good standing,
of the Sea of Anarchy Yacht Club.
Next club meeting: November 9-10, Candlestick Cove, SF Bay.
May the mud caress your keel. Borga, borga, borga...
Capt'n Morgan
Commodore, Sea of Anarchy Yacht Club
.
From: Paul Kamen (fishmeal@netcom.com)
Subject: Re: SF Bay CyberCruise
Newsgroups: rec.boats.cruising
Date: 1996/09/20
Got some email from someone with a Columbia 45 that draws 7.5 feet.
Will Candlestick Cove be deep enough with a -0.4 tide on Sunday
afternoon?
--
fishmeal@netcom.com
http://www.well.com/~pk/fishmeal.html
-"Call me Fishmeal"-
From: Rod Mcinnis (ZSGP68A@prodigy.com)
Subject: Re: SF Bay CyberCruise
Newsgroups: rec.boats.cruising
Date: 1996/09/24
shellie@netcom.com (Shellie T. Taylor) wrote:
>
>
>Kids, dogs, cats, and ferrets are encouraged. We consider ourselves a
>wholesome influence upon all of the above.
>
I must have missed the cyber cruise with the ferret.
>We especially like the powerboats when it's raining. We *especially*
>like the powerboats when they have amenities that don't fit on sailboats.
>We're awfully broadminded that way. (Rod, are you out there??)
>
Gee, I thought it was that Dudley minded that I was broad, not that
you were broadminded. What did he call me? The behemoth?
Yes, here I am, although I had to get access through alternate paths
due to the system at work being down due to the company relocating.
I have the admiral's permission to attend this one. In fact, she is
looking forward to it also. However, she is nixing my plans to bring the
25 inch television. And she may ban the red wine from the cabin.
Otherwise, count us in.
Rod & Anna McInnis
From: dudley (dudley@Eng.Sun.COM)
Subject: Re: SF Bay CyberCruise
Newsgroups: rec.boats.cruising
Date: 1996/09/25
In article 1bbi@useneta1.news.prodigy.com, ZSGP68A@prodigy.com (Rod Mcinnis) writes:
->
-> I must have missed the cyber cruise with the ferret.
That's ferrets, Rod. And you're lucky they didn't hop onto The Docking
Station. Do you realize how hard it is to find a ferreting ferret?
-> Gee, I thought it was that Dudley minded that I was broad, not that
->you were broadminded. What did he call me? The behemoth?
Rod, I said I missed you when you were abroad. And you have completely
misunderstood the *behemoth* remark. Your boat is big beyond Biblical
proportions, however I didn't feel comfortable calling it titanic.
-> I have the admiral's permission to attend this one.
-> Rod & Anna McInnis
Doesn't the chain of command make that Anna & Rod McInnis?
See you there. Go 9ers,
dudley
.
From: Rod Mc Innis (rmcinnis@adobe.com)
Subject: Re: SF Bay CyberCruise
Newsgroups: rec.boats.cruising
Date: 1996/09/27
dudley (dudley@Eng.Sun.COM) wrote:
: -> Rod & Anna McInnis
: Doesn't the chain of command make that Anna & Rod McInnis?
: See you there. Go 9ers,
Hey, my wife doesn't read the newsgroups, so I can say anthing here
I want to.
Just don't anyone tell her!
Rod
From: Capt'n Morgan (capt.morgan@foospam.Eng.Sun.COM)
Subject: SF Bay CyberCruise
Newsgroups: rec.boats.cruising
Date: 1997/10/10
The next SF Bay CyberCruise is rapidly approaching. Check out
the Sea of Anarchy Yacht Club web page for information:
http://cybercruise.microtech.com
Capt'n Morgan
Commodore, Sea of Anarchy Yacht Club
.
From: rmcinnis@lsil.com (rmcinnis@lsil.com)
Subject: Re: SF Bay CyberCruise
Newsgroups: rec.boats.cruising
Date: 1997/10/13
In article <61lvbc$edd@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM>, capt.morgan@foospam.Eng.Sun.COM
says...
>
>The next SF Bay CyberCruise is rapidly approaching. Check out
>the Sea of Anarchy Yacht Club web page for information:
Blimp Shot IV, I'm there!
Rod McInnis
From: dudley (dudley@Eng.Sun.COM)
Subject: SF Bay CyberCruise
Newsgroups: rec.boats.cruising
Date: 1999/01/04
The SF Bay CyberCruises, which started in rec.boats over five years ago,
is beginning the '99 CyberCruise season. We meet at a different SF Bay
anchorage every other month (Jan, Mar, ..., etc.). The next CyberCruise
is scheduled for the weekend of Jan 23-24 in Redwood City (contact me for
up-to-date details).
Check out the FAQ, stories, and pictures of our past adventures (which
even included a round trip sail from SF to Hawaii last Summer) at:
http://cybercruise.microtech.com/
We hope to see some new faces this year,
dudley
.
From: Paul Kamen (fishmeal@netcom.com)
Subject: Re: SF Bay CyberCruise
Newsgroups: rec.boats.cruising
Date: 1999/01/04
dudley@Eng.Sun.COM writes:
>The SF Bay CyberCruises, which started in rec.boats over five
>years ago, is beginning the '99 CyberCruise season...
Now hold it right there, Mudley. The CyberCruise actually arose from the
The WELL (Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link) where I host the (not very active
these days) sailing conference. It attained critical mass after
more-or-less merging with the Sea of Anarchy Yacht Club, a group of
unfortunate sailors who (at the time) probably had more miles of furrows
in the South Bay mud under their keels than blue water.
Anyway, stand by for details on the February CyberCruise, and see the
CyberCruise web page to find out if *you* meet the rigorous requirements
for entry into this exclusive organization.
--
fishmeal@netcom.com
http://www.well.com/~pk/fishmeal.html
-"Call me Fishmeal"-
From: dudley (dudley@Eng.Sun.COM)
Subject: Re: SF Bay CyberCruise
Newsgroups: rec.boats.cruising
Date: 1999/01/05
In article M5A@netcom.com, fishmeal@netcom.com (Paul Kamen) writes:
>Now hold it right there, Mudley. The CyberCruise actually arose from the
>The WELL (Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link) where I host the (not very active
>these days) sailing conference. It attained critical mass after
>more-or-less merging with the Sea of Anarchy Yacht Club, a group of
>unfortunate sailors who (at the time) probably had more miles of furrows
>in the South Bay mud under their keels than blue water.
Wait a second ol' vortex shreder, the merger was born of a meeting between
the WELL and the SAYC on rec.boats. As far as I remember, the idea for a
fender-to-fender meeting of rec.boat posters was actually from someone in the
Chesapeake Bay. The SAYC and WELL sailors were already CyberCruising as
their own groups, but it was rec.boats that brought them together.
And where you in November?
>Anyway, stand by for details on the February CyberCruise, and see the
>CyberCruise web page to find out if *you* meet the rigorous requirements
>for entry into this exclusive organization.
The first detail is that it is in January, not February. It will be on the
weekend of Jan 23-24 and, as there have been no major complaints, the
destination shall be Redwood City.
See: http://cybercruise.microtech.com/
Mark your tide calendars,
dudley
Commodore, Sea of Anarchy Yacth Club
.
From: Rod McInnis (rmcinnis@TiVo.com)
Subject: Re: SF Bay CyberCruise
Newsgroups: rec.boats.cruising
Date: 1999/01/05
Paul Kamen wrote:
> It attained critical mass after
> more-or-less merging with the Sea of Anarchy Yacht Club,
Hmmmm. It was rec.boats that got me to my first cybercruise, the
December T.I. cruise some four years ago. Granted, it was far from the
first cybercruise, but it was the first one that my boat was within
range.
Dudley was the first person I actually spoke with, when he told me
that I was too big and to go away! Of course, I didn't pay any more
attention to him them than I do now!
> Anyway, stand by for details on the February CyberCruise,
February? I thought it was January?
So, Captain Morgan, Sir! It will probably be 6:00 PM before I get
close. My question is: how long before the rising tide will allow me
to get off of wherever I happen to run aground?
Rod McInnis
From: dudley (dudley@Eng.Sun.COM)
Subject: Re: SF Bay CyberCruise
Newsgroups: rec.boats.cruising
Date: 1999/01/05
In article 351E8C9B@TiVo.com, Rod McInnis writes:
>
>
>Paul Kamen wrote:
>
>> It attained critical mass after
>> more-or-less merging with the Sea of Anarchy Yacht Club,
>
> Hmmmm. It was rec.boats that got me to my first cybercruise
I think fishmeal is into revisionist history...or maybe he's spent too
much time shellacing his teak...but it all began with rec.boats as far
as I'm concerned. And I maintain the SAYC history page!
> Dudley was the first person I actually spoke with, when he told me
>that I was too big and to go away! Of course, I didn't pay any more
>attention to him them than I do now!
It's funny, but you're not as big any more. Back then, the average boat
size was about 27 feet. Now, with Tasherana, La Ardiana, Dragon Lady, etc.,
The MotherShip seems less imposing, but I still remember what that wall of
fiberglass looked like as it came closer and closer to little old Treefort.
But I'm pretty well used to being ignored.
>> Anyway, stand by for details on the February CyberCruise,
>
> February? I thought it was January?
>
> So, Captain Morgan, Sir! It will probably be 6:00 PM before I get
>close. My question is: how long before the rising tide will allow me
>to get off of wherever I happen to run aground?
Rod, you've been away too long. Captain Morgan has been officially declared
dead. You may refer to me as the Commodore. As for the mud, I'll be sure
to pick a spot that is easily accessible at low tide and which will not
put you on the mud. I'll also send out explicit instructions about getting
into Redwood City, but it isn't difficult if you stay between the channel
markers. Stay tuned.
dudley
Commodore, Sea of Anarchy Yacht Club
CyberCruise Historian
.
From: Paul Kamen (fishmeal@netcom.com)
Subject: Re: SF Bay CyberCruise
Newsgroups: rec.boats.cruising
Date: 1999/01/05
dudley@Eng.Sun.COM writes:
>I think fishmeal is into revisionist history...or maybe
>he's spent too much time shellacing his teak...but it all
>began with rec.boats as far as I'm concerned...
Teak? On my boat? Well, now that you mention it there are a few splinters
of wood, but anyone who berths on O-dock knows that it hasn't tasted a
drop of varnish (or shellac) since Carter was president.
The merger of SAYC and the sailors from The WELL took place on rec.boats.
But The "CyberCruise" meme originated on The WELL, and there are still
posts there going back to early Spring of '93 announcing cruises as if
they've already been going on for a while.
On anonymous approaches to the raft-up: A better one was when an unknown
would-be CyberCruiser tentativley motored towards the raft at dusk, not
sure if they were in the right place.
"Are you Dudley?" they hailed to someone on the closest boat.
"I'm Dudley!" someone yelled from another boat, standing up in
their cockpit.
"I'M Dudley!" yelled someone else, from the cabin top.
"I'm Dudley!" yelled yet another CyberCruiser.
And so on. (You had to be there.)
--
fishmeal@netcom.com
http://www.well.com/~pk/fishmeal.html
-"Call me Fishmeal"-
From: dudley (dudley@Eng.Sun.COM)
Subject: Re: SF Bay CyberCruise
Newsgroups: rec.boats.cruising
Date: 1999/01/06
In article C72@netcom.com, fishmeal@netcom.com (Paul Kamen) writes:
>
>The merger of SAYC and the sailors from The WELL took place on rec.boats.
>But The "CyberCruise" meme originated on The WELL, and there are still
>posts there going back to early Spring of '93 announcing cruises as if
>they've already been going on for a while.
I'll give you credit for the CyberCruise name (too bad we didn't grab
www.cybercruise.org while we had a chance), and the Muddies of the Sea
of Anarchy Yacht Club were also an active email-connected group during
the early '90s (the Sea of Anarchy name coming from a SF Chronicle story
about life in the Redwood City sloughs), making regular trips to AI, TI,
and Aquatic Park for raft-ups. But if it weren't for the suggestion on
rec.boats that we meet f2f, we'd probably still be two separate groups.
Do you know the date of our first meeting between SAYC and the WELL at TI?
It was sometime in '93. I do know that in 3/94 we did the first cruise
to Redwood City. Everything from that point on is pretty well documented
in the CyberCruise stories pages:
http://cybercruise.microtech.com/stories.html
In '98, we added our stories about our cruise to Hawaii and back. Let's see
what adventures we can add in '99.
See you all in Redwood City. Looks like some will be sailing down on the
night of Jan 22. Others will be arriving on Saturday the 23rd. Check out
the web page or contact me for more info.
dudley
Commodore, Sea of Anarchy Yacht Club
.
From: BUDCOH (budcoh@aol.com)
Subject: Re: SF Bay CyberCruise
Newsgroups: rec.boats.cruising
Date: 1999/01/07
D(M)udley wrote:
>Looks like some will be sailing down on the
>night of Jan 22. Others will be arriving on Saturday the 23rd. Check out
>the web page or contact me for more info.
>
Just checked the Cybercruise page. Still got last year's schedule on it.
Why do you guys always schedule cruises when I have a race? Jan 23 is the 3
Bridge Fiasco, and I gotta keep going until I get around Red Rock. If
possible, I may make it after the race (assuming there's wind.)
Bud
From: Rod McInnis (rmcinnis@TiVo.com)
Subject: Re: SF Bay CyberCruise
Newsgroups: rec.boats.cruising
Date: 1999/01/07
BUDCOH wrote:
>
> Jan 23 is the 3
> Bridge Fiasco, and I gotta keep going until I get around Red Rock. If
> possible, I may make it after the race (assuming there's wind.)
Current discussion has us heading for the Redwood City area. That
would be quite a haul from Red Rock to Redwood city, even if there is
wind.
Rod
From: dudley (dudley@invictus.Eng.Sun.COM)
Subject: Re: SF Bay CyberCruise
Newsgroups: rec.boats.cruising
Date: 1999/01/07
In article 00008626@ng93.aol.com, budcoh@aol.com (BUDCOH) writes:
>
>Why do you guys always schedule cruises when I have a race?
We do this so that we can be sure that no racers will show up.
dudley
.
From: BUDCOH (budcoh@aol.com)
Subject: Re: SF Bay CyberCruise
Newsgroups: rec.boats.cruising
Date: 1999/01/08
Dudley wrote:
>
>We do this so that we can be sure that no racers will show up.
>
You sure know how to hurt a guy. But I may fool you yet and show up to present
myself to you, the commodore. Will you post where in the Redwood City area you
will be? Westpoint Slough or at the yacht harbor or out by the channel
markers?.
Bud
From: Paul Kamen (fishmeal@netcom.com)
Subject: Re: SF Bay CyberCruise
Newsgroups: rec.boats.cruising
Date: 1999/01/08
The last time I sailed my boat down to the Deadwood City CyberCruise, the
strategy was to leave Friday night, after the Friday Night Race and BBQ
at Berkeley YC.
We left around midnight, set watches, and sailed all night. Sort of like
a pretend ocean race, and the guests who had never done any distance
sailing thought it was big fun. Got there at 8 AM, ready to sleep in the
sun all day Saturday.
--
fishmeal@netcom.com
http://www.well.com/~pk/fishmeal.html
-"Call me Fishmeal"-
From: dudley (dudley@invictus.Eng.Sun.COM)
Subject: Re: SF Bay CyberCruise
Newsgroups: rec.boats.cruising
Date: 1999/01/08
In article 00008918@ng-fb1.aol.com, budcoh@aol.com (BUDCOH) writes:
>Dudley wrote:
>>
>>We do this so that we can be sure that no racers will show up.
>>
>You sure know how to hurt a guy. But I may fool you yet and show up to present
>myself to you, the commodore. Will you post where in the Redwood City area you
>will be? Westpoint Slough or at the yacht harbor or out by the channel
>markers?.
>Bud
Well, anyone who would sail all the way down to Redwood City is a cruiser in
my book, so I'll tell you. We'll be across from the deep water docks of the
Port of Redwood City. We'll be between markers #12 and #10.
Hope to see you there,
dudley
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From: dudley (bay_sailor@hotmail.com)
Subject: SF Bay CyberCruise (Location Note)
Newsgroups: rec.boats.cruising
Date: 1999/01/19
Note: Due to dredging in Redwood Creek, the location of the CyberCruise
to Redwood City has been moved to Westpoint Slough. The dates are this
coming weekend, Jan 23rd and 24th.
Safety Note: Westpoint Slough has been cleaned of most of the wrecks, but
local knowledge is advised for safe passage. Contact me for directions
if you've never been into the slough.
See you in the slough,
dudley
Commodore, Sea of Anarchy Yacht Club
http://cybercruise.microtech.com/
From: dudley (bay_sailor@hotmail.com)
Subject: March SF Bay CyberCruise
Newsgroups: rec.boats.cruising
Date: 1999/02/16
The March San Francisco Bay CyberCruise will be:
March 6th and 7th
Clipper Cove, Treasure Island
See:
http://cybercruise.microtech.com/
or write:
bay_sailor@hotmail.com
for details.
dudley
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From: Rod McInnis (rmcinnis@TiVo.com)
Subject: Re: March SF Bay CyberCruise
Newsgroups: rec.boats.cruising
Date: 1999/02/16
dudley wrote:
>
> The March San Francisco Bay CyberCruise will be:
>
> March 6th and 7th
> Clipper Cove, Treasure Island
Well, NUTS!
Gonna have to miss this one. Have about 5 other things happening that
weekend, and there is no way that boating is going to make the list.
Rod McInnis
From: maxbuss (maxbuss@ix.netcom.com)
Subject: Cybercruisers
Newsgroups: rec.boats.cruising
Date: 1999/04/15
So, I'm thinking of "breaking my marina dependancy" ---(dudley) This
weekend.
Anchoring, for the first time maybe in the Paradise Cove area, maybe near
Angel Island, not exactly sure where, but I guess that may be the fun of it.
(Current is against me tomorrow evening out of Sausalito though, so I don't
think it'll be very far).
Can you verify that my, one, Danforth anchor is up to the job? I don?t know
the weight of it, it?s probably what was issued from the factory with my
Catalina 27 boat (1998). I?ve sometimes read you should have 2 anchors set,
you should have a stern and bow anchor, you should have 2 types of anchors,
etc. Other times I read and there is no mention of it being a big deal.
From: dudley (bay_sailor@hotmail.com)
Subject: Re: Cybercruisers
Newsgroups: rec.boats.cruising
Date: 1999/04/15
In article i65@dfw-ixnews9.ix.netcom.com, "maxbuss" writes:
>So, I'm thinking of "breaking my marina dependancy" ---(dudley) This
>weekend.
This should be a good weekend for that.
>Anchoring, for the first time maybe in the Paradise Cove area, maybe near
>Angel Island, not exactly sure where, but I guess that may be the fun of it.
I've never anchored at Paradise Cove. I've anchored (or moored) in Ayala
Cove and Quarry Cove in Angel Island many times. In Ayala Cove (where the
ferry comes in) there are mooring balls. People generally grab 2 balls,
one forward and one aft, to keep from swinging with the tide. With a C27,
you could grab a ball near the beach and run out a stern anchor as another
option. To get 2 balls, you'll need at lest 100 feet of line (so that you
can reach from one to the other while tying off). If you do this, you have
no anchor worries.
Angel Island can get very crowded on weekends. It would be wise to arrive
early and to have some help, and perhaps a dinghy, to assist in running the
lines to the mooring balls. There are also a few mooring balls in Quarry
Cove, and far fewer boats, but it's a lot rougher than Ayala.
Clipper Cove (Treasure Island) is another option. It's bigger and less
crowded than Ayala Cove but you'd have to use your anchor. You can get
away with just one anchor in Clipper Cove as long as you leave enough
room for the other boats to swing. One problem with Clipper Cove is the
notorious cables that love to snag anchors. The cables are about as big
as your arm and they run across the anchorage. I've never hooked one
myself, but I've seen several boats that have. Otherwise, bottom holding
there is very nice and you should have no problem with a properly set
Danforth. The harbormaster at Clipper Cove is a CyberCruiser if you run
into her.
The weekend of May 1-2 is the CyberCruise to Redwood City. Drop on by if
you want to see what the sloughs are like. We'll have plenty of anchors
set.
dudley
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From: tom (toms@scruznet.com)
Subject: Re: Cybercruisers
Newsgroups: rec.boats.cruising
Date: 1999/04/16
On Thu, 15 Apr 1999 11:06:03 -0700, "maxbuss"
wrote:
>So, I'm thinking of "breaking my marina dependancy" ---(dudley) This
>weekend.
>Anchoring, for the first time maybe in the Paradise Cove area, maybe near
>Angel Island, not exactly sure where, but I guess that may be the fun of it.
>(Current is against me tomorrow evening out of Sausalito though, so I don't
>think it'll be very far).
>Can you verify that my, one, Danforth anchor is up to the job? I don?t know
>the weight of it, it?s probably what was issued from the factory with my
>Catalina 27 boat (1998). I?ve sometimes read you should have 2 anchors set,
>you should have a stern and bow anchor, you should have 2 types of anchors,
>etc. Other times I read and there is no mention of it being a big deal.
>
>
I like Paradise Cove, but its not my wifes favorite place. It can get
kind of rolly when the ships go past at 2AM.
I've been using a danforth until this year. I've never had a problem
but have always wondered about it. This year, I've upgraded to a bruce
which I hope will help me sleep better :-)
From: maxbuss (maxbuss@ix.netcom.com)
Subject: Re: Cybercruisers
Newsgroups: rec.boats.cruising
Date: 1999/04/16
>I like Paradise Cove, but its not my wifes favorite place. It can get
>kind of rolly when the ships go past at 2AM.
>
>I've been using a danforth until this year. I've never had a problem
>but have always wondered about it. This year, I've upgraded to a bruce
>which I hope will help me sleep better :-)
>
Tom, thanks for the tip on Paradise cove. I've anchored there for a few
hours in the past, been nailed by ship wakes, and wondered what would happen
if we were trying to sleep.
If you've never had a problem with your danforth, why are you buying a
different anchor?
-max
From: tom (toms@scruznet.com)
Subject: Re: Cybercruisers
Newsgroups: rec.boats.cruising
Date: 1999/04/19
On Fri, 16 Apr 1999 15:54:38 -0700, "maxbuss"
wrote:
>
>>I like Paradise Cove, but its not my wifes favorite place. It can get
>>kind of rolly when the ships go past at 2AM.
>>
>>I've been using a danforth until this year. I've never had a problem
>>but have always wondered about it. This year, I've upgraded to a bruce
>>which I hope will help me sleep better :-)
>>
>
>
>Tom, thanks for the tip on Paradise cove. I've anchored there for a few
>hours in the past, been nailed by ship wakes, and wondered what would happen
>if we were trying to sleep.
>
>If you've never had a problem with your danforth, why are you buying a
>different anchor?
There is always that nagging feeling that its just not quite enough.
The danforth is fairly light and the bruce is much heavier. There are
places like china cove where the current can get pretty strong. A feel
a lot more comfortable with the bigger anchor.
>
>-max
>
From: Rod McInnis (rmcinnis@TiVo.com)
Subject: Re: Cybercruisers
Newsgroups: rec.boats.cruising
Date: 1999/04/19
maxbuss wrote:
>
>
>
> If you've never had a problem with your danforth, why are you buying a
> different anchor?
My experience with the Danforth is that they hold great once they are
set, providing that you don't change the angle of pull.
That little caveot about "once they are set" is the killer. I have
had my Danforth refuse to take a bite. I have also had them refuse to
let go once they were dug in.
I switched to a Bruce anchor because it always sets for me on the
first try, when you get right above it it will rotate up and release
easlily, it cleans off a lot easier, and it fits on my bow roller nicer
than the Danforth did.
Rod McInnis
From: BUDCOH (budcoh@aol.com)
Subject: cybercruise sfbay
Newsgroups: rec.boats.cruising
Date: 1999/04/13
Dudley
Is the date May 1&2 at Redwood City?
Bud
From: dudley (bay_sailor@hotmail.com)
Subject: Re: cybercruise sfbay
Newsgroups: rec.boats.cruising
Date: 1999/04/13
In article 00002111@ng-fu1.aol.com, budcoh@aol.com (BUDCOH) writes:
>Dudley
>Is the date May 1&2 at Redwood City?
>Bud
Bud,
Yes, the next CyberCruise is May 1-2 in Westpoint Slough, Redwood City.
There will some boats sailing down on Friday evening, with the rest
joining us on Saturday.
Hope to see you there,
dudley
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From: BUDCOH (budcoh@aol.com)
Subject: Re: cybercruise sfbay
Newsgroups: rec.boats.cruising
Date: 1999/04/15
Right. Leaving Gashouse Cove at 9:30. Be there whenever.
Bud>Bud,
>
>Yes, the next CyberCruise is May 1-2 in Westpoint Slough, Redwood City.
>There will some boats sailing down on Friday evening, with the rest
>joining us on Saturday.
>
>Hope to see you there,
>
>dudley
>.
>
>
>
>
From: Rod McInnis (rmcinnis@TiVo.com)
Subject: Re: cybercruise sfbay
Newsgroups: rec.boats.cruising
Date: 1999/04/15
dudley wrote:
>
>
> Yes, the next CyberCruise is May 1-2 in Westpoint Slough, Redwood City.
> There will some boats sailing down on Friday evening, with the rest
> joining us on Saturday.
Unfortunately, that is the weekend that I will be starting my annual
migration back to the delta, which is in the exact opposite direction.
I guess I will see you next fall.
Rod McInnis
From: dudley (bay_sailor@hotmail.com)
Subject: Re: cybercruise sfbay
Newsgroups: rec.boats.cruising
Date: 1999/04/15
In article 5923A5ED@TiVo.com, Rod McInnis writes:
>
>
>dudley wrote:
>>
>>
>> Yes, the next CyberCruise is May 1-2 [snip]
>
> Unfortunately, that is the weekend that I will be starting my annual
>migration back to the delta, which is in the exact opposite direction.
Go South, young man! You can do what? 25 or 30 knots in the MotherShip.
Dash on down for Saturday night and head up to the delta on Sunday (if
you haven't come to the conclusion that the South Bay is far nicer than
the delta). Your family appeared to be enjoying itself in the Slough
last January.
mudley
Charter Member: The Muddies
.
From: Rod McInnis (rmcinnis@TiVo.com)
Subject: Re: cybercruise sfbay
Newsgroups: rec.boats.cruising
Date: 1999/04/15
dudley wrote:
>
>
> Go South, young man! You can do what? 25 or 30 knots in the MotherShip.
No, it peaks out at about 20, and that sucking sound it makes doing it
are the tanks being sucked dry at incredible rates. Checked the price
of gas lately? It's time to make another pitch for sailboats to the
Admiral.
> Dash on down for Saturday night and head up to the delta on Sunday (if
> you haven't come to the conclusion that the South Bay is far nicer than
> the delta). Your family appeared to be enjoying itself in the Slough
> last January.
I am tempted. It will add a couple of hours to an already long
cruise, and to an incredibly long day (small matter of getting a car to
the other end, and retriving the car left at the starting point).
Rod McInnis
From: dudley (bay_sailor@hotmail.com)
Subject: CyberCruise this weekend!
Newsgroups: rec.boats.cruising
Date: 1999/04/26
The May San Francisco Bay CyberCruise is this coming weekend, May 1-2,
to Westpoint Slough in Redwood City. Everyone welcome. See our home
page for details:
http://cybercruise.microtech.com
dudley
Commodore, Sea of Anarchy Yacht Club
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From: DKDETAR (dkdetar@aol.com)
Subject: cybercruise
Newsgroups: rec.boats.cruising
Date: 1999/12/17
I am intrested in joining your cruises. I have a sundowner tug trawler
I am a member of Presido Yacht Club horseshoe cove
dkdetar@aol.com
From: dudley (bay_sailor@hotmail.com)
Subject: Re: cybercruise
Newsgroups: rec.boats.cruising
Date: 1999/12/17
In article 00001509@ng-fk1.aol.com, dkdetar@aol.com (DKDETAR) writes:
> I am intrested in joining your cruises. I have a sundowner tug trawler
> I am a member of Presido Yacht Club horseshoe cove
> dkdetar@aol.com
DKDETAR,
We have CyberCruises every other month. The next is scheduled for
January. For the past several years, it has been the weekend of the
3-Bridge Fiasco and the location has been Horseshoe Cove, where we
have been warmly welcomed by the PYC (and in most cases, they found
slips for us). There has been some question about the status of
Horseshoe Cove and PYC, and we have not made a final decision (usually
in the form of a vote) on date and location for this January.
I'll keep you posted through this newsgroup, or you may write to me
at bay_sailor@hotmail.com. Hope to see you in January.
dudley
Commodore, Sea of Anarchy Yacht Club
http://cybercruise.microtech.com/
.
From: Rod McInnis (rmcinnis@TiVo.com)
Subject: Re: cybercruise
Newsgroups: rec.boats.cruising
Date: 1999/12/17
dudley wrote:
>
> In article 00001509@ng-fk1.aol.com, dkdetar@aol.com (DKDETAR) writes:
> > I am intrested in joining your cruises.
All are welcome!
> I have a sundowner tug trawler
Hey, another power boat! Dudely, we'll have that camel all the way
into the tent yet!
> > I am a member of Presido Yacht Club horseshoe cove
Well, our next outing may not be much of a cruise for you then.....
>
> We have CyberCruises every other month. The next is scheduled for
> January. For the past several years, it has been the weekend of the
> 3-Bridge Fiasco and the location has been Horseshoe Cove
We started off doing this the weekend of the 3-bridge Fiasco, but I
thought that the last couple of years we had too many conflicts and
shifted a week.
>, where we
> have been warmly welcomed by the PYC (and in most cases, they found
> slips for us).
You smaller boats got slips, us larger boats had to anchor out! Always
had a great time in the club house, however. The weather has always
been a bit finicky, so bring your foulies!
Rod McInnis
From: dudley (bay_sailor@hotmail.com)
Subject: Re: cybercruise
Newsgroups: rec.boats.cruising
Date: 1999/12/17
In article 7F94F567@TiVo.com, Rod McInnis writes:
>
> Hey, another power boat! Dudely, we'll have that camel all the way
> into the tent yet!
The camel in the tent doesn't bother me...it was gone in the morning,
anyway. I can do without the smoking camel dung, however.
> You smaller boats got slips, us larger boats had to anchor out!
That's one way of keeping the camels in their place.
> The weather has always been a bit finicky, so bring your foulies!
A bit finicky? It's been downright nasty a couple of times. But
it couldn't be any worse than last month at Candlestick Cove.
dudley
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From: DKDETAR (dkdetar@aol.com)
Subject: cybercruise
Newsgroups: rec.boats.cruising
Date: 2000/01/12
When is the cyber cruise to horseshoe cove?
From: Rod McInnis (rmcinnis@TiVo.com)
Subject: Re: cybercruise
Newsgroups: rec.boats.cruising
Date: 2000/01/12
DKDETAR wrote:
>
> When is the cyber cruise to horseshoe cove?
Good question. We haven't voted yet, but we should do that PDQ. In
the past, it has been either on the last or second to last weekend in
January, and influenced more by who was playing in the Superbowl than
anything else.
Unfortunately, I won't be able to attend this year, as I have
commitments on every weekend until the middle of February.
Commodore Dudley, are you listening? Let's get the vote going!
Rod
From: Florida Keyz (floridakeyz@aol.com)
Subject: Re: cybercruise
Newsgroups: rec.boats.cruising
Date: 2000/01/15
Where is horseshoe cove??
Or is it what?
From: dudley (bay_sailor@hotmail.com)
Subject: SF Bay CyberCruise Dates
Newsgroups: rec.boats.cruising
Date: 2000/01/27
Cruisers,
The next San Francisco Bay CyberCruise will be:
Feb 12-13, 2000
Redwood Creek, Redwood City
This will be the first CyberCruise of our 7th year (having held one
every other month during that time). If you've never attended, or
have always wondered what happens South of the San Mateo Bridge, this
is your chance.
All you need are some good fenders and stretchy dock lines and you're
set. We'll have an anchored raft-up, so if your boat is 35 feet or
more, we'll ask you to drop a hook.
The following CyberCruise will be April 8-9, 2000 at McNear Beach (in
the North Bay).
Check out our web page at:
http://cybercruise.microtech.com/
Or drop me a line at:
bay_sailor@hotmail.com
for more details and navigational help.
dudley
Commodore, Sea of Anarchy Yacht Club
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From: Rod McInnis (rmcinnis@TiVo.com)
Subject: Re: SF Bay CyberCruise Dates
Newsgroups: rec.boats.cruising
Date: 2000/01/28
dudley wrote:
>
>
> The following CyberCruise will be April 8-9, 2000 at McNear Beach (in
> the North Bay).
Can you tell me where this is in relation to something a little more
well known? Is it in the San Pablo bay?
I will be moving back to the delta about that time frame, so it would
be great if I can take in this cybercruise as a stop on that voyage.
Rod McInnis
From: dudley (bay_sailor@homtail.com)
Subject: Re: SF Bay CyberCruise Dates
Newsgroups: rec.boats.cruising
Date: 2000/01/28
In article 50947BD0@TiVo.com, Rod McInnis writes:
>
>
> dudley wrote:
> >
> >
> > The following CyberCruise will be April 8-9, 2000 at McNear Beach (in
> > the North Bay).
>
>
> Can you tell me where this is in relation to something a little more
> well known? Is it in the San Pablo bay?
>
> I will be moving back to the delta about that time frame, so it would
> be great if I can take in this cybercruise as a stop on that voyage.
>
> Rod McInnis
Rod,
McNear Beach is North of The Richmond-San Rafael Bridge, not too far North
of The Sisters (the islands on the opposite side of the Bay from the better
known The Brothers), in Marin County. It is South of the entrance to the
Napa River (site of the Bel Marin Keys CyberCruises).
There is a park there, so you'd find it on a road map, but I think it's
marked on Bay charts as well.
dudley
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